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Two-suited minimal balancing

Poll: Your bid... (44 member(s) have cast votes)

Your bid...

  1. Pass (2 votes [4.55%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.55%

  2. Dbl (7 votes [15.91%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.91%

  3. 2C (35 votes [79.55%])

    Percentage of vote: 79.55%

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#1 User is offline   Poky 

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  Posted 2009-November-10, 03:08

MP. They vul.

♠x
♥QT9xx
♦Tx
♣AKQxx

1♥ (1♠) p (p)
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Posted 2009-November-10, 04:13

Double.
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Posted 2009-November-10, 06:19

partner isn't guaranteed to have a penalty pass and even if he does, our defensive contribution may very total 1 trick and we're going to get the wrong lead, so i don't want to double. if he doesn't have a penalty pass and the bidding goes XX - 2♦ - X or some such we'll feel a trifle sick that we forgot to bid our AKQxx.
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Posted 2009-November-10, 07:21

2C for me.. don't like dbl so much
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Posted 2009-November-10, 07:21

2♣

What is minimal about this?
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Posted 2009-November-10, 07:37

Double. Finishing in 2♦ is only likely to be bad if partner is something like 4153 or 5143. If he's 4252, double may work out well. And if he's got a penalty double, double is an easier route to a good score than trying to make 3NT.
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Posted 2009-November-10, 08:17

Not to mention RHO's silence which increases a tad more that partner may have a penalty pass. If LHO does indeed have a decent hand he may decide to bid his 2nd suit, diamonds, or maybe he might raise himself to 2♠. I've seen too many of these offshape hands with shortage in LHO's suit that double almost always turned out to be the best action. Just be thankful we weren't 1255 and it had gone 1d-1s-p-p.
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Posted 2009-November-10, 09:46

Double, showing that I have an opening bid that I am not ashamed of.
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Posted 2009-November-10, 09:52

cardsharp, on Nov 10 2009, 08:46 AM, said:

Double, showing that I have an opening bid that I am not ashamed of.

2C showing a suit I am not ashamed of.
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Posted 2009-November-10, 09:55

2♣, don't feel strongly about it, I do have diamond tolerance after all.
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Posted 2009-November-10, 10:18

Double, feel very strongly! Next time you have an 18 count with 6 spades and there is a 1♠ overcall on your right, remember this hand.
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Posted 2009-November-10, 13:18

jdonn, on Nov 10 2009, 11:18 AM, said:

Double, feel very strongly! Next time you have an 18 count with 6 spades and there is a 1♠ overcall on your right, remember this hand.

ooooh! Someone besides me that is feeling a little under protected :)
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Posted 2009-November-10, 13:45

Double. I might bid 2♣ with a spade void or 6-5 or softer values but this hand is far from useless on defence.
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Posted 2009-November-10, 16:08

jdonn, on Nov 10 2009, 11:18 AM, said:

Double, feel very strongly! Next time you have an 18 count with 6 spades and there is a 1♠ overcall on your right, remember this hand.

Bah! You double and they bid 2♦ in that scenario, making three. You bid 2♣ instead and they bid 2♠ and THEN partner pounces.

I'm all in for low-level doubles. One partner of mine and I hit more stuff down low than a Vegas call girl, but sometimes you just have to bid what you are looking at.

2♣ for me.
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Posted 2009-November-10, 16:14

I think 2♣ gets us to the right place more often, so that's my MP bid. At IMPS, I'll go for the swing, which is less likely, but could win the match. Of course, at either form of scoring, you will have to watch your partner (try to) resist the urge to huff and puff if you bid 2♣ and it's wrong.
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Posted 2009-November-10, 16:22

kenrexford, on Nov 10 2009, 05:08 PM, said:

jdonn, on Nov 10 2009, 11:18 AM, said:

Double, feel very strongly! Next time you have an 18 count with 6 spades and there is a 1♠ overcall on your right, remember this hand.

Bah! You double and they bid 2♦ in that scenario, making three.

On a combined 11 count with their side suit 6-1 offside? These opponents are too good for me :unsure:
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Posted 2009-November-10, 16:25

kenrexford, on Nov 10 2009, 05:08 PM, said:

jdonn, on Nov 10 2009, 11:18 AM, said:

Double, feel very strongly! Next time you have an 18 count with 6 spades and there is a 1♠ overcall on your right, remember this hand.

Bah! You double and they bid 2♦ in that scenario, making three. You bid 2♣ instead and they bid 2♠ and THEN partner pounces.

I'm all in for low-level doubles. One partner of mine and I hit more stuff down low than a Vegas call girl, but sometimes you just have to bid what you are looking at.

2♣ for me.

No, Josh and I double and then smack the 2♣ runout by RHO.

2♣ instead of the balancing x gets greeted by a collective "phew" by the opponents.
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Posted 2009-November-10, 16:27

Phil, on Nov 10 2009, 05:25 PM, said:

kenrexford, on Nov 10 2009, 05:08 PM, said:

jdonn, on Nov 10 2009, 11:18 AM, said:

Double, feel very strongly! Next time you have an 18 count with 6 spades and there is a 1♠ overcall on your right, remember this hand.

Bah! You double and they bid 2♦ in that scenario, making three. You bid 2♣ instead and they bid 2♠ and THEN partner pounces.

I'm all in for low-level doubles. One partner of mine and I hit more stuff down low than a Vegas call girl, but sometimes you just have to bid what you are looking at.

2♣ for me.

No, Josh and I double and then smack the 2♣ runout by RHO.

2♣ instead of the balancing x gets greeted by a collective "phew" by the opponents.

Or, they just bid 2♦ or 2♠ and jam our club suit when we don't actually have any penalty pipe dreams available.
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Posted 2009-November-10, 16:29

This is an obvious double
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Posted 2009-November-11, 03:57

This is an obvious 2 Club.
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