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#1 User is offline   DrDouble 

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  Posted 2009-November-08, 21:53

I don't open 1NT with a 5 card major. Assuming responder bids stayman and receives a 2 response. The bids 2 & 2 r now unused. What r the problems of responder biding 2 or 2 to show 5 of the suit. If opener then does not have 3 of the major they respond 2NT. This seems 2 me to be a logical "extended stayman" system but I can't find anything on it on the Internet.

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Posted 2009-November-08, 22:47

This is the normal way to play without transfers. "Extended Stayman" means something different.

The main problem is when responder has five hearts and an invite, but opener bids 2 in response to stayman. Now you can't conveniently show your heart suit; you have to either bid 2NT (possibly missing 5-3 heart fit) or 3 (probably forcing). Also, you lose the ability to bid stayman on a weak hand with both majors.
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Posted 2009-November-10, 14:31

Here are some more useful ways to use these bids:

1. 2 is Crawling Stayman, showing a weak hand with 4-4 majors. Opener passes with 3 , corrects to 2 with 3 , and you play in your 4-3 fit. Hopefully he didn't open 1NT with 2=2=5-4. I don't think 2 by responder has a meaning in this system.

2. 2 and 2 are natural, showing a weak hand with 5 in the bid major, 4 in the other. Responder was planning on passing if opener bid a major, but this allows finding at least a 5-2 fit.

3. Invitational Smolen. 2 and 2 show an invitational hand with 4 in the bid major, 5 in the other major. Opener then bids either the other major or NT at the cheapest level with a minimum, or game with a maximum. This is my personal favorite -- I'm usually happy to take a chance in 1NT with a weak responding hand.

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Posted 2009-November-10, 15:01

I'd recommend:

2 as both majors weak. Opener either passes or bids 2.

2 as invitational, with five spades and four hearts. You could choose to bid this way without hearts allowing you to sometimes play 2 instead of 2NT (if it went 1NT-2-2-2NT). But if you do that you lose the ability to use 1NT-2-2-2 for another purpose.

You might also use the 1NT-2-2-2 sequence with 5-5 in the majors and game interest if you don't have any other way to show that hand.
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Posted 2009-November-12, 06:06

I think back to Acol days--extended stayman went

1n/t--p-- 2cl(stayman) pass
2d --p- 3d!(asking pard to bid his best 3 card major.
Before days of transfers--with the exception

2n/t pass--3d--(=get lost best contract,i have 5 hts weak/weak
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Posted 2009-November-12, 06:20

Hi,

just wanted to add, that "Crawling Stayman" also implies, that

1NT - 2D
2H - 2S

showes an inv. hand with 5 hearts and 4 spades, which would be the complement
to the beforehand mentioned seq.

1NT - 2C
2D - 2S

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