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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2009-November-02, 06:59

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J9x
AJTxx
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3♣-x-p-3♦
p-3♠-p-?

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Posted 2009-November-02, 07:02

4♠.

I don't overcall a preempt without a good hand. To double first and then bid a suit shows a real monster. I have an ace and two spades - that is enough to raise to game.
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Posted 2009-November-02, 08:37

ArtK78, on Nov 2 2009, 08:02 AM, said:

4♠.

I don't overcall a preempt without a good hand. To double first and then bid a suit shows a real monster. I have an ace and two spades - that is enough to raise to game.

Yep that's how I look at it too
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Posted 2009-November-02, 08:51

Agree. 4♠, glp.
Still decidedly intermediate - don't take my guesses as authoritative.

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Posted 2009-November-02, 08:57

I bid game because of the spot cards and distribution of the honors. I would be a lot less confident with xx Jxx Jxxxx Axx.
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Posted 2009-November-02, 11:39

4♠ WTP here for me. PD is supposed to have a really good hand with a really good suit to X then bid his suit.
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Posted 2009-November-02, 12:22

I am a little surprised about the wtps...

After all we all discussed recently that double and a suit does not show a monster one suiter, but more flexibility then just a suit bid.

In this case the rebid is ugly and I would sit and hope for a miracle.

If you are sure that your partner has the monster one suiter, 4 spade is really a wtp...
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Posted 2009-November-02, 12:29

To me, double, then 3S does show a monster, but also doubt about what trumps should be. This knowledge doesn't help me choose what to do now, but I am not broke. Maybe 4C should suggest (within my previous 3D bid) this hand --or maybe I just want it to :)
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Posted 2009-November-02, 12:54

4♣ looks more flexible than 4♠ which will often be a 5=2 fit.
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Posted 2009-November-02, 14:45

I would just pass B)
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Posted 2009-November-02, 14:48

ArtK78, on Nov 2 2009, 08:02 AM, said:

4♠.

I don't overcall a preempt without a good hand.  To double first and then bid a suit shows a real monster.  I have an ace and two spades - that is enough to raise to game.

Not really, it just shows a flexible hand that is pretty good. Overcalling 3S with 54 in the majors and 17 points would really suck!

It really seems to me like some people are confusing Xing 1C and then bidding spades with doubling 3C and then bidding spades.
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Posted 2009-November-02, 16:00

Maybe the lesson is that my 3♠ was an underbid ...... 6♠ makes.
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Posted 2009-November-02, 16:12

i dont think it was an underbid

KJTxxx
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Qxx
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was it?

I think I would have passed 3♠ at the table... But not sure. Anyways RHO surprised me in a pleasant manner when he bid 3NT which I was happy to double and at least we got +300.
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Posted 2009-November-02, 16:46

I think I would have passed 3S.

It is certainly a matter how weak a direct 3S could be.
With the original hand, I would have bid 3S, certainly max
for the call, and 4S not being out of the uestion, which may
mean I should raise 3S to 4S.
But I dont need to be logically consistent ...

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Posted 2009-November-02, 18:11

gwnn, on Nov 2 2009, 05:12 PM, said:

i dont think it was an underbid

KJTxxx
AKTx
Qxx
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was it?

Indeed it was not an underbid at all heh. WHERE ARE THE OPPS?! Oh well I stand by my pass :) I think that a club void is really atypical.

Making 6 was extremely fortunate also.
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Posted 2009-November-02, 18:14

A 13 count was atypical too!

Pard, I bet Rodwell wouldn't pass.
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