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2-6-v-5 how do you bid this hand?

#1 User is offline   kgr 

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Posted 2009-October-31, 04:27


To start; What do you open:
1: 5c Majors
3: preempt , GF or GF and minor
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Posted 2009-October-31, 04:30

Just 1H
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Posted 2009-October-31, 04:55

Jlall, on Oct 31 2009, 12:30 PM, said:

Just 1H

If you start with 1 it continous:
1-(2!)-(3!)-3!
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2!= and , mostly better then , strength like 1-level overcall.
3!=limit raise
3!=limit raise
 
 
(Why start 1 iso 3?: not strong enough; or the 6c that will be more difficult to show?)
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Posted 2009-October-31, 04:56

to open 3 you have to have the hand very well defined as Ben used to do on Mishry. A precise number of losers is needed since your next bid is probably gonna be 5 and partner will have to guess everything in one bid. And he needs to know if 1 keycard is worth slam or he needs 2.
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Posted 2009-October-31, 04:59

On the bidding you gave I think 5 is clear if you don't play voidwood. Partner will know that 2 keycards outside diamonds is avobe average and 1 keycard is below acting consequently.

If you play exclusion/voidwood you can only bid 4 now.
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Posted 2009-October-31, 05:04

kgr, on Oct 31 2009, 05:55 AM, said:

(Why start 1 iso 3?: not strong enough; or the 6c that will be more difficult to show?)

Yeah KQJTxx is playable opposite a stiff, I think it will be hard for partner to know that.

I also think we will be better placed if we open 1H than 3D, our hand is not so good that we can open 3D and handle competition effectively. Like I don't want to be forced to bid on 3D 3S p 4S for instance since our hand is not that good.

After 3H since we are red/white it is possible that we should just go slowly and try to buy it as cheap as possible to deter a 6S save.

We should have good defense against 6S though, especially if LHO bids it and we get 2 diamond ruffs. I would just play it straight and bid 5D exclusion, figuring slam will be odds on if partner has 1 ace.
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Posted 2009-October-31, 05:05

Fluffy, on Oct 31 2009, 05:59 AM, said:

On the bidding you gave I think 5 is clear if you don't play voidwood. Partner will know that 2 keycards outside diamonds is avobe average and 1 keycard is below acting consequently.

If you play exclusion/voidwood you can only bid 4 now.

Huh? Why does he need 2 keycards or are you counting the CK as a keycard?
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Posted 2009-October-31, 05:07

if 5 shows diamond void and nothing else yes. on exclusion I guess no, he will just autoanswers without judgement.
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Posted 2009-October-31, 05:19

Scoring: IMP

1-(2!)-(3!)-3!
DBL-(3)-Pass-(Pass)
4-(pass)-4-4
5-(Pass)-5-All Pass
 
2!= and , mostly better then , strength like 1-level overcall.
3!=limit raise
3!=limit raise
 
Making 7 after a lead.
I wanted to bid slow and kind of hoped that they didn't save or mabe DBLed me. But I did bid too (s)low :rolleyes: .
What did I show with bidding 1..DBL..4..5
and what is the difference with 1...4...5
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Posted 2009-October-31, 06:41

idk kgr you play 3 as GF +m, did you not discuss what it shows? if it can be as weak as this, then open 3. if not, don't. I think it's too weak, in that you could easily have two more aces and bid the same way. well I mean open the same way. I have no idea what the follow-ups are.
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Posted 2009-October-31, 06:43

I use double as a bad suit of hearts asking partner not to lead against 5.

I tell you I'd bid 5 instead of double hoping partner evaluates my void. He has a balanced hand with not much wasted in diamonds, he would have a close decision.

Slam is cold because of J and only 3 spades in dummy. But if he missed something of those we would rather have Q in dummy as well.

How did you make 13 tricks?
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Posted 2009-October-31, 07:07

Fluffy, on Oct 31 2009, 12:43 PM, said:

Slam is cold because of J and only 3 spades in dummy. But if he missed something of those we would rather have Q in dummy as well.

How did you make 13 tricks?

Probably spade held, drew trumps and ruffed the last spade in dummy, taking 6 hearts, 5 clubs, a spade and a spade ruff.
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Posted 2009-October-31, 07:31

Fluffy, on Oct 31 2009, 02:43 PM, said:

How did you make 13 tricks?

Sorry, partner had KJ and a more.
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Posted 2009-October-31, 08:32

kgr, on Oct 31 2009, 08:31 AM, said:

Fluffy, on Oct 31 2009, 02:43 PM, said:

How did you make 13 tricks?

Sorry, partner had KJ and a more.

You have a 3 loser hand, and partner has shown a limit raise ( or better ) for Hts, you are ready to ask for key cards via 5D! exclusion. [ You have 2nd Rnd Ctrl or better in all side suits for protection from an opening lead] .
The 5-level should be of minimal concern.
You can still stop at 5H if partner has none ( 5H = 0 or 3 ) or 6H when he shows 1 key ( 5S! ).
If he has a "wasted" value in Diam, you will be able to pitch a losing Sp.

I'm afraid the "slow approach" backfired on this hand.
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Posted 2009-October-31, 09:01

kgr, on Oct 31 2009, 01:19 PM, said:

Dealer: South
Vul: N/S
Scoring: IMP
Jxx
Axxx
Qxx
KJx
Kx
KQJTxx
 
AQTxx
 

1-(2!)-(3!)-3!
DBL-(3)-Pass-(Pass)
4-(pass)-4-4
5-(Pass)-5-All Pass
 
2!= and , mostly better then , strength like 1-level overcall.
3!=limit raise
3!=limit raise
 
Making 7 after a lead.
I wanted to bid slow and kind of hoped that they didn't save or mabe DBLed me. But I did bid too (s)low :) .
What did I show with bidding 1..DBL..4..5
and what is the difference with 1...4...5

D then 4 is a cuebid, while a direct 4 would show a suit (but not necessarily a strong hand, since there would (or should be) no force after 4 by the opps).

4 then 5 would be a 2-suited slam try imo. This is a possible approach with this hand, while the chosen sequence (double first) doesn't show a club suit but seems to suggest AK.

But I think the best, practical approach here is to shoot for the slam after partner's limit raise. 5 exclusion to perhaps find a grand (5-5N-6!) or stay low opposite an unlikely 0 keycards. Even if we normally play 1430, exclusion must be 0314 since 1 keycard is usually enough in these situations.
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Posted 2009-October-31, 10:17

Jlall, on Oct 31 2009, 05:30 AM, said:

Just 1H

Does GF mean we can't play partner to hold Q & J or are we too worried about partner going overboard?
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Posted 2009-October-31, 14:18

GF with hearts and a minor sounds like a reasonable discribtion.

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