[Mr. Dodgy]

Scoring: XIMP

1♦-(P)-P-(X)
2♦-(P)-P-(X)
P-(2♠)-A

making 10/11 tricks

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This post has been edited by Mr. Dodgy: 2009-October-24, 21:53

[Jlall]

I think north should bid 2S over 2D. South would then bid game.

[aguahombre]

North was just doing what a flat hand with two kings, opposite a balancing action is supposed to do, IMHO. Subtract a King, and bid accordingly. I think South has to appreciate that, with his powerful trick-taking assortment and diamond void. South needs to go high.

[mike777]

Does south show short d with h and s?


If so I think North should bid over 2d....not easy with 4333 but all our cards seem to be working..in any event tough.



45% north
55% rub of the green.

[jdonn]

I would have passed as north over 2♦, if anything I think south should raise 2♠ to 3♠. But no one did anything too terrible, it was a very light game after all.

[straube]

South has a 4 1/2 loser hand and I think probably only showed something like a 7 loser (opening) hand. There's also lots of points unaccounted for and partner may have some of them. I think south has to raise spades.

[DWM]

I would have bid 1♠ on the first round of bidding. Should this come back to me at the 2 level I could try Hearts after that.

Not sure if I am correct or not but I thought it would be more important to get across a 5-4 major hand rather than a 3 suiter.

[gwnn]

No blame, both players were just a little pessimistic. I think I'd have raised from S.

[pooltuna]

Mr. Dodgy, on Oct 24 2009, 09:51 PM, said:

Dealer: West Vul: Both Scoring: XIMP

♠ K764 ♥ T92 ♦ J64 ♣ K54 ♠ A8532 ♥ AQJ4 ♦   ♣ QJT3

1♦-(P)-P-(X) 2♦-(P)-P-(X) P-(2♠)-A making 10/11 tricks

Wouldn't South have bid the same with

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or

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so South needs to gird his loins and venture a ♠ raise

[pooltuna]

Jlall, on Oct 24 2009, 09:55 PM, said:

I think north should bid 2S over 2D. South would then bid game.

Yep Justin nailed this I just looked at how I would handle the second X.

[Fluffy]

pooltuna, on Oct 25 2009, 02:19 PM, said:

Wouldn't South have bid the same with

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or

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so South needs to gird his loins and venture a ♠ raise

Wouldn't nort bid the same with

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or

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So following your reasoning, norht should bid 3♠ isntead of just 2 .

This falls somehow into partner's agreement, if south is agressive reopening he should bid one more, but if not it is north who shoudl either bid 2♠ before or jump to 3 later.

[nigel_k]

South 100%.

North could have bid 2♠ over 2♦. I would pass but it is close. The point made earlier about partner being in the balancing seat is an important one. If the bidding went (1♦)-X-(2♦)-? then I'd bid 2♠ on that hand.

South should definitely have raised instead of the final pass. There is nothing wrong with Fluffy's examples except they aren't very likely. North will usually have four spades and a card or two on this sequence. And South could be much worse than he is. For the point counters, South has 14 HCP plus whatever you count for a void plus the balancing adjustment, and an extra trump. It's a lot.

[Trinidad]

North should have bid 2♠ over 2♦.

But I can live with a pass. But once North passes, he cannot just bid 2♠ in response to the second double. He needs to show somehow that he has a decent hand.

If you say that South is borrowing a king from North (a view that I subscribe to for the first double, but not so much for the second) then North is underbidding by about 4 HCPs.

Rik

[aguahombre]

If the "king borrow" idea is to have any value, it is borrowed for the whole auction. Thus, Nigel is right on.

[Trinidad]

aguahombre, on Oct 26 2009, 11:19 PM, said:

If the "king borrow" idea is to have any value, it is borrowed for the whole auction.  Thus, Nigel is right on.

That would only be the case if there would be a direct seat equivalent to this balancing seat auction. But there is no direct seat equivalent.

1♦-X-Pass-1♠
2♦-X

is different since it denies four spades

1♦-X-2♦-Pass
Pass-X

is different since now responder has raised and the opponents are known to have a fit. (This actually is a balancing auction.)

And, finally,
1♦-X-Pass-Pass
2♦-X-

well, errr, I guess you know that that auction is far from equivalent.

How can you borrow a king from an equivalent auction if there is no equivalent auction?

Rik