BBO Discussion Forums: voids everywhere! - BBO Discussion Forums

Jump to content

Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

voids everywhere!

#1 User is offline   gwnn 

  • Csaba the Hutt
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 13,027
  • Joined: 2006-June-16
  • Gender:Male
  • Interests:bye

Posted 2009-October-24, 15:57

1.
Scoring: IMP

p-p-1-x
1-1NT-p-p
?

2.
Scoring: IMP

p-p-1-x
1-1NT-p-p
?

3.
Scoring: IMP

p-p-1-x
1-1NT-p-p
?

... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
      George Carlin
0

#2 User is offline   DWM 

  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 198
  • Joined: 2006-July-25

Posted 2009-October-24, 16:25

1. Pass, I would have passed the first double.
2. 4, I would have bid 3 in the round before to confirm the 6th .
3. What does 2NT show? is Drury a tool in play here? If 3 shows 5-5 then I would bid that.
0

#3 User is offline   gwnn 

  • Csaba the Hutt
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 13,027
  • Joined: 2006-June-16
  • Gender:Male
  • Interests:bye

Posted 2009-October-24, 16:27

DWM I edited my post somewhat, yes we play drury but we didn't specifically discuss when we bid 2 and when we bid 2NT.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
      George Carlin
0

#4 User is offline   Jlall 

  • Follower of 655321
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 3,293
  • Joined: 2008-December-05
  • Interests:drinking, women, bridge...what else?

Posted 2009-October-24, 17:15

2D, 4S, 3N.

3N on the last because we really need partner to not have spade wastage in order to make slam.
0

#5 User is online   mike777 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 17,794
  • Joined: 2003-October-07
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2009-October-24, 17:28

2d



4d(2h showed 6 for me)(side note....4h now over 4d would be rkc in d for me...not hearts)




3nt
0

#6 User is offline   andy_h 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,962
  • Joined: 2007-September-14
  • Location:Australia
  • Interests:The Universe, Traveling, Squash, and Scandinavia.

Posted 2009-October-24, 19:51

1. 2, can't give up to 1NT with 6-5.
2. 4, the void is ok. 4 would be a suggestion to play.
3. 3NT. We can still find out about the solidity of the clubs if partner is able to cooperate with 4.
- Andy -

We are all connected to each other biologically, to the Earth chemically, and to the rest of the universe atomically.
We're in the universe, and the universe is in us.
0

#7 User is offline   pooltuna 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,814
  • Joined: 2009-July-23
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New Orleans

Posted 2009-October-25, 07:53

Jlall, on Oct 24 2009, 06:15 PM, said:

2D, 4S, 3N.

3N on the last because we really need partner to not have spade wastage in order to make slam.

Yep 4 for 2) as it looks like partner is begging for a stop since he bypassed his option to show 2 card support and was unable to qbid himself.
"Tell me of your home world, Usul"
the Freman, Chani from the move "Dune"

"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."

George Bernard Shaw
0

#8 User is offline   DWM 

  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 198
  • Joined: 2006-July-25

Posted 2009-October-25, 10:27

Why 4S on the second hand?

I thought 2 bid is a catch all bid as reverses still show strength so could easily show a 5 card suit.
0

#9 User is offline   pooltuna 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,814
  • Joined: 2009-July-23
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New Orleans

Posted 2009-October-25, 11:36

DWM, on Oct 25 2009, 11:27 AM, said:

Why 4S on the second hand?

I thought 2 bid is a catch all bid as reverses still show strength so could easily show a 5 card suit.

mainly because you already supported
"Tell me of your home world, Usul"
the Freman, Chani from the move "Dune"

"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."

George Bernard Shaw
0

#10 User is offline   DWM 

  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 198
  • Joined: 2006-July-25

Posted 2009-October-25, 15:00

To try and answer the whats going on I would say that responder has a strong minors. 4 I took as a control show.

The 11 points hold are probably the perfect 11 points for responder so I would cooperate showing my lowest conrtol. I would expect 3-4 losers in the majors and I know I can cover 3 of them, however, I would also hope that P would make another slam try bid after 4 from me if he had two solid minor suits.

I still think not bidding 3 made openers further bidding problamatic.
0

#11 User is offline   gwnn 

  • Csaba the Hutt
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 13,027
  • Joined: 2006-June-16
  • Gender:Male
  • Interests:bye

Posted 2009-October-25, 15:11

board 2 we got to grand after

1-2
2-3
3-4
4-4NT
5-6
7

partner had

xxx
-
AKQJT
AJxxx

diamond lead club ruff heart ruff club ruff heart ruff diamonds but alas! diamonds are 4-1 so we got a disappointing -300. but it's not a very good contract, who gets the blame?
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
      George Carlin
0

#12 User is offline   DWM 

  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 198
  • Joined: 2006-July-25

Posted 2009-October-26, 15:31

the 4NT bid was too much, bid 5 a 5 loser hand is worth a slam try but not two.

The 7 bid is very agressive, once partner has taken control I dont think you should take the control back unless you have a lot of unmentioned values. 6 is by far the best bid after 6.

1 - 2
2- 3
3 - 3
3NT - Pass

I think that the final pass is very hard, but knowing opener has 6 hearts, and up to 4 spades its possible to not have a 8 card fit.
0

#13 User is offline   manudude03 

  • - - A AKQJT9876543
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,625
  • Joined: 2007-October-02
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2009-October-26, 16:16

I would just bid 6D over 6C, 6C should really ask for a useful club control or source of tricks.

As for over 4C, 4S is pretty much mandatory, partner is begging for a spade control, don't torture him :ph34r:
Wayne Somerville
0

#14 User is offline   Jlall 

  • Follower of 655321
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 3,293
  • Joined: 2008-December-05
  • Interests:drinking, women, bridge...what else?

Posted 2009-October-26, 16:20

Haven't thought about the rest of the auction really, but 7D is way too much. Your void is just not that useful with 3 small trumps. You have no extras really.
0

#15 User is offline   gwnn 

  • Csaba the Hutt
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 13,027
  • Joined: 2006-June-16
  • Gender:Male
  • Interests:bye

Posted 2009-October-27, 03:53

hand 3 partner has a 13 count!?

QJxx
AQxx
Jxxx
K

but I was a complete pessimist and bid 4.

Can slam be reached somehow?

(oh hand 1 i did something completely stupid, and will not post anything about it)
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
      George Carlin
0

#16 User is offline   Fluffy 

  • World International Master without a clue
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 17,404
  • Joined: 2003-November-13
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:madrid

Posted 2009-October-27, 04:09

slam can always be reached when you show the 2 hands gwnn :lol:

On this case partner has to think that even with his QJ wasted opposite singleton he has great cards and cue 4 that's all.
0

#17 User is offline   Jlall 

  • Follower of 655321
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 3,293
  • Joined: 2008-December-05
  • Interests:drinking, women, bridge...what else?

Posted 2009-October-27, 08:13

gwnn, on Oct 27 2009, 04:53 AM, said:

hand 3 partner has a 13 count!?

QJxx
AQxx
Jxxx
K

but I was a complete pessimist and bid 4.

Can slam be reached somehow?

(oh hand 1 i did something completely stupid, and will not post anything about it)

Not sure how great slam is opposite this hand. If you bid 3N short spades, partner will bid 4C, you will bid 4H (rather than last train, you've already made 1 try so if partner has the nuts he will keep bidding) and not sure what will happen after that (maybe 5H, 6H, or 5H pass, or just pass).
0

#18 User is offline   Jlall 

  • Follower of 655321
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 3,293
  • Joined: 2008-December-05
  • Interests:drinking, women, bridge...what else?

Posted 2009-October-27, 08:22

Fluffy, on Oct 27 2009, 05:09 AM, said:

slam can always be reached when you show the 2 hands gwnn :)

On this case partner has to think that even with his QJ wasted opposite singleton he has great cards and cue 4 that's all.

hmm you think this hand should drive it opposite a club cuebid? I dunno even if partner always has the king he could have hands like AJxx Qxxx Jxx Kx pretty easily, or he could have hands with stiff clubs like Qxxx AQxx Qxxx x where slam is pretty bad.

I have reconsidered though and think this hand is worth 4D over 4C but should respect a signoff after that.
0

#19 User is offline   ONEferBRID 

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 835
  • Joined: 2009-May-03

Posted 2009-October-27, 08:22

gwnn, on Oct 27 2009, 04:53 AM, said:

hand 3 partner has a 13 count!?

QJxx
AQxx
Jxxx
K

but I was a complete pessimist and bid 4.

Can slam be reached somehow?


Yes, with 2-way Drury.

I've often wondered why 2NT! ( in the absense of a DBL ) is used to show a limit raise w/4 instead of 2D! ??

4th seat open:

1H -    2D!
3S! -   4C
4NT! - 5D
6H -

2D! = 2-way Drury, limit w/4
3S! = Sp shortness
4C! = mixed cue
4NT! = Voidwood ( Meckwell ) whereas 4S! = RKC for Hts
5D = 1 key
Don Stenmark ( TWOferBRIDGE )
0

#20 User is offline   Jlall 

  • Follower of 655321
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 3,293
  • Joined: 2008-December-05
  • Interests:drinking, women, bridge...what else?

Posted 2009-October-27, 08:36

Maybe I'm still not getting it, but why is slam so good?

I mean if trumps are 2-2 then you can set up clubs and ruff a diamond (unless RHO has Jxxxx of clubs and they found the diamond lead, not negligible). But that's IF trumps are 2-2.

If trumps are 3-1 and your line is simply pulling trumps then you'll be reduced to dropping the CJ in 3 rounds or a very very favorable diamond position.

I guess you have some added chance that they'll lead from KQ of diamonds, or they'll lead the ace of spades also.

All in all doesn't seem that great. Is there some better line that involves cross ruffing or something? That seems to require 3 rounds of clubs to live and then you're always in danger of getting overruffed etc.
0

Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

1 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users