[hrothgar]

>Our little corner of BBO is full of people from around world - many who no idea
>what is GCC. If we need to pick betwween listing who is directing and what is or
>is not allow in some contest then "what" will alway "win" over "who."


Comment the first: If you have already stated that the tournament is being run according to the GCC, then you don't need to state that Wilkosz 2D or Multi 2D are banned. Its implied...

As for people who don't know what the GCC is: I can't fathom how anyone could expect to run tournaments in which large numbers of players are ignorant about the regulations. From my perspective, the "best" way to encourage people to learn the GCC is to note that this is a GCC tournament and then sanction people who violate the posted rules.

Comment the second: In contrast to the previous example, players don't have an "obvious" way to note who is directing tournaments. Its all fine and dandy that you have "senior" ACBL directors. However, I prefer to be able to draw my own conclusions about their qualifications. I consider this a necessary pre-condition before spending money.

Equally significant, as I noted earlier, I think that players need a mechanism by which they can openly rate/rank the performance of different directors. Hard to do this when we don't know who is directing...

[bearmum]

hrothgar, on Jul 2 2004, 12:41 AM, said:

>Our little corner of BBO is full of people from around world - many who no idea
>what is GCC.

Comment the first:  If you have already stated that the tournament is being run according to the GCC, then you don't need to state that Wilkosz 2D or Multi 2D are banned.  Its implied... 

As for people who don't know what the GCC is:  I can't fathom how anyone could expect to run tournaments in which large numbers of players are ignorant about the regulations.  From my perspective, the "best" way to encourage people to learn the GCC is to note that this is a GCC tournament and then sanction people who violate the posted rules.

Comment the second:  In contrast to the previous example, players don't have an "obvious" way to note who is directing tournaments.  Its all fine and dandy that you have "senior" ACBL directors.  However, I prefer to be able to draw my own conclusions about their qualifications.  I consider this a necessary pre-condition before spending money. 

Equally significant, as I noted earlier, I think that players need a mechanism by which they can openly rate/rank the performance of different directors.  Hard to do this when we don't know who is directing...

I only have ONE question ( and I might say I have probably MISSED how to do this ) but does BBO tell EVERYONE what "GCC" is?? and EXACTLY what the rules and regulations of it are??

I played in USA for 5 years so know that LOTS of things allowed as "standard" in other countries are DISALLOWED in USA --- and the ACBL Tourneys are allowed to run their tourneys according to THEIR rules ( as is ANY other country allowed to run their tourneys according to the prevaling rules for their national rules)

SO Is there a LINK on BBO to let everyone know (in maybe a ONE page summary) what the GCC is ??

But to sanction players who MIGHT not know the GCC rules seems to be counterproductive?? UNLESS BBO says one HAS to have an ACBL number to register for an ACBL tourney

[mpefritz]

Add links to GCC/acbl alerting proedures, etc. from the "Tournament Rules" page. Each tournament has this capability, and it should be easy to have a standard page of links for all ACBL tournaments.

fritz

[Gerardo]

Bearmum:
At least for now, directors can run a tourney under whatever rules they want.
ACBL is no different from other NBOs here, all are allowed. So far, only the ACBL and the FIGB (Italian NBO) did so.

[Frosty]

To abbreviate or not is begging the point.

There IS room on the tournament description to list the Director's identity simply by removing the redundant (meaning information that appears twice on the description screen) information. If you prefer not to abbreviate the GCC, there are STILL enough characters to list the TD's identity if you simply remove the duplicate (and therefore unnecessary) information. Fortunately we don't need to wait for additional text space on the description- there is already enough space if it is managed efficiently.

I have yet to learn the identity of the officiating TD from the lobby announcements and I'm pretty tuned in to that sort of thing. I've signed up for any number of ACBL events where any announcements that I saw came from one of the ACBL coordinators' nicks and did not mention who was officiating the event. It would be a nice addition to announce the TD in the Lobby chat but it would also be very easy to miss. Posting the information and announcing the information need not be mutually exclusive. Although posting is the most effecient because it makes the information more consistently available, it IS practicable to do both, .

Why the big secret? This is a fair request that is simple to accomodate, so dancing around it only raises red flags. Qualifications aside, there is no legitimate reason why the players should not know in advance who the TD is for an ACBL event. These are paid, sanctioned events; the standards of transparency should be at least as high as the social tournaments on the schedule - if not higher. Players are entitled to know who is running the game BEFORE they sign up.

F

[uday]

I agree; there is no reason to avoid revealing TD names, although i think we find that we prefer a consistent naming scheme. That does not mean that we currently go out of our way to announce the real life name of the Td. Maybe we should/will.

The underlying human is always the same; that is, acbl_xx is always John Doe.

[xx1943]

uday, on Jul 1 2004, 04:36 PM, said:

The underlying human is always the same; that is, acbl_xx is always John Doe.

Hi

There is enough space to attach a complete list of all ACBLxx-Ids in the lin-file "Tournament-Rules".

Al

[Frosty]

Yes! Double X -

But lets be careful. We don't need a list of all the ACBL TD's - we need to know WHICH TD's is officiating the tournament.

Frosty

[slothy]

uday, on Jul 1 2004, 04:36 PM, said:

I agree; there is no reason to avoid revealing TD names, although i think we find that we prefer a consistent naming scheme.

The underlying human is always the same; that is, acbl_xx is always John Doe.

John Doe???? Never heard of him. Isn't it a coincidence that all TDs have the same name too..?????

[Gweny]

Well good news friends :-) Description space is now bigger and for your viewing pleasure name are now include - (unless mistake is made when creating tournaent)

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I agree; there is no reason to avoid revealing TD names, although i think we find that we prefer a consistent naming scheme. That does not mean that we currently go out of our way to announce the real life name of the Td. Maybe we should/will.

The underlying human is always the same; that is, acbl_xx is always John Doe. 

Uday,

Some acbl tds don't even have a nick on their profiles let alone their real names. I think that you should follow up on your suggestion above and ask acbl tds to have their real name on their profile. According to Gweny's post above, all the acbl tds on bbo are acbl certified, therefore I see no reason for nicks or in one case at least, no name at all. There might be members that would like to check with acbl whether a name is certified or not if they don't want to take Gweny's word for it.

I suspect that each director has his/her own set of announcements to make during the tournaments. Just a suggestion if I may. Would it be possible to have the same announcements made, by all the tds. i.e. tds don't need to make up their own. Something polite and civil....I have seen quite a few unecessary comments made by tds in acbl tournaments which I will not repeat here. I don't remember them word by word anyway but they seemed to be a little over the top. People go to play tournaments to get points and to have fun. Being treated like a kindergarten kid or a fellon on probation, isn't my idea of fun.

Thanks
Rona

Thanks
Rona

[uday]

We do have most of the real names posted, and good reason to avoid it where it is not posted. If you must know why, email uday@ and I will tell you, it isnt fit for googling.