[cnszsun]

Scoring: IMP

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[karlson]

2♣ for me; if partner has trash with spade length it'll probably be the right spot, and if not, we'll have an easy rebid next round.

Also if 3N is the right spot, opposite, say, Axxx xxx xxx Axx, then 2c might get us there and double almost certainly will not).

[pooltuna]

karlson, on Oct 23 2009, 09:20 PM, said:

2♣ for me; if partner has trash with spade length it'll probably be the right spot, and if not, we'll have an easy rebid next round.

Also if 3N is the right spot, opposite, say, Axxx xxx xxx Axx, then 2c might get us there and double almost certainly will not).

why not aren't you going to risk 2NT over 1NT by pard?

[Jlall]

2C

[blackshoe]

If my choices are limited to 2♣ and double, 2♣. If I can bid what I like, 2♠ (top and bottom cue bid).

[jjbrr]

2♣ all day

[Phil]

2♣. And then:

2N over the likely 2♠ raise on my left;
3♠ over a responsive double;

Not sure what I'll do over 3♦ by pard - is 3♥ by me forcing?

Lots would double but it just complicates things.

[aguahombre]

Phil, on Oct 24 2009, 11:34 AM, said:

(after 2C overcall and Spade raise on left)

Not sure what I'll do over 3♦ by pard - is 3♥ by me forcing?

I think so, since you are bidding a suit partner doesn't have --works for me.

[weicc]

why not x first?
we may lose game(4h) if we just overcall 2c when partner have

♠xxxx
♥xxxxx
♦kx
♣jx

he will pass 2c with this hand...

[gnasher]

weicc, on Oct 24 2009, 05:57 PM, said:

why not x first?
we may lose game(4h) if we just overcall 2c when partner have

♠xxxx
♥xxxxx
♦kx
♣jx

he will pass 2c with this hand...

+130 in 2♣ might not be so bad. 4♠ is either making or one down.

[aguahombre]

gnasher, on Oct 24 2009, 02:52 PM, said:

weicc, on Oct 24 2009, 05:57 PM, said:

why not x first?
we may lose game(4h) if we just overcall 2c when partner have

♠xxxx
♥xxxxx
♦kx
♣jx

he will pass 2c with this hand...

+130 in 2♣ might not be so bad. 4♠ is either making or one down.

And with both sides having a nine card fit (unbid) and an 8-card fit, somebody is likely to be keeping the auction open, even if it is not partner.

[weicc]

gnasher, on Oct 24 2009, 02:52 PM, said:

weicc, on Oct 24 2009, 05:57 PM, said:

why not x first?
we may lose game(4h) if we just overcall 2c when partner have

♠xxxx
♥xxxxx
♦kx
♣jx

he will pass 2c with this hand...

+130 in 2♣ might not be so bad. 4♠ is either making or one down.

yes, 2c+130 is better then 4s make or -1
but if they have spades fit, they wont miss it
LHO will bid 2s or even 3s after your bidding
that is why i want to tell my partner i have hearts
eg.
1♠-(dbl)-2♠-(3♥)-4♠-(5c)
At least ,i can suggest my 2 suits at 5 level.
or you want to stay in
1♠-(2♣)- 2♠-( pass? or x?)-4♠-(5♥? or x? or 5♣?)

[jdonn]

2♣ seems pretty clear to me. Reverse the minors and double is much better than on this hand.

[aguahombre]

jdonn, on Oct 24 2009, 11:44 PM, said:

2♣ seems pretty clear to me. Reverse the minors and double is much better than on this hand.

Am not sure ELC is a big consideration with this much playing strength. Would o/c minor with either.
Side issue: If the decision is really, really close, I prefer not to double a major if the opps have Cappeletti tools.

[lifemonster]

Double. This is why I play Raptor.

[gwnn]

it would never occur to me to use Raptor with a hand this strong, I guess it's a question of agreements but we used to play it as 9-14. Now we don't use it at all.

[fromageGB]

If the choice was 2C, double or Raptor, then I still go 2C. If there were 5 clubs I would still be reluctant to use Raptor as with this strength it is difficult to continue if LHO raised spades after your 1NT, or if he passes and partner bids. I would also be reluctant to play in a forced heart contract and have to ruff with the top hearts. If partner freely shows hearts over my 2C then that is a different matter.