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#1 User is offline   HeavyDluxe 

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Posted 2009-October-25, 22:09

Scoring: IMP

3♠ - (p) - ??


What would you bid? What would you do different (if anything) based on vulnerability?
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Posted 2009-October-25, 22:28

I'd bid whatever your ace asking bid is
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Posted 2009-October-25, 22:28

Do you play anything special? I usually play 4C as keycard, but if I didn't play that I would bid that.
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Posted 2009-October-25, 22:42

dcohio, on Oct 25 2009, 11:28 PM, said:

I'd bid whatever your ace asking bid is

obvious problem is you dont want to hear about the spade king. I bid 4C, and after this forum is exhausted pard and I will decide how to find out about the two aces.
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Posted 2009-October-25, 22:55

Jlall, on Oct 26 2009, 11:28 AM, said:

Do you play anything special? I usually play 4C as keycard, but if I didn't play that I would bid that.

One keycard could be the SK. I play 4C as KC and 4NT as Ace ask.
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Posted 2009-October-25, 23:42

The_Hog, on Oct 25 2009, 11:55 PM, said:

Jlall, on Oct 26 2009, 11:28 AM, said:

Do you play anything special? I usually play 4C as keycard, but if I didn't play that I would bid that.

One keycard could be the SK. I play 4C as KC and 4NT as Ace ask.

Thats why I didn't bid keycard...lol.
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Posted 2009-October-26, 02:07

I play 4♣ is keycard. So I'll bid 4NT regular blackwood, passing if he responds 5♣ and hoping for the best.
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Posted 2009-October-26, 06:36

I understand that you cant solve this problem if you only have 4nt here as rkc for♠ so i bid 4♣ first and on partners next bid 4nt for real aces only. If this works at the table i would be very happy. :P
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Posted 2009-October-26, 07:35

I have no methods for ace asking O_o

This is not one of those situations where weak fields make it easier for me. I really didn't find this situation before. Do you really have 2 ways for ace/keycard asking?
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Posted 2009-October-26, 07:56

HeavyDluxe, on Oct 25 2009, 11:09 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

3♠ - (p) - ??


What would you bid? What would you do different (if anything) based on vulnerability?

well you are 55% that partner holds at least one of the major suit aces so slam isn't really a problem. I would start with 4♠ and over partner's 5♥ bid 6♣. Thinking about it more RKC could work out well just pass the 5♣ (see 0314 sometimes does have advantages over 1430) and bid 6 or 7♣ for the appropriate other response.
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Posted 2009-October-26, 08:25

pooltuna, on Oct 26 2009, 01:56 PM, said:

HeavyDluxe, on Oct 25 2009, 11:09 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

3♠ - (p) - ??


What would you bid?  What would you do different (if anything) based on vulnerability?

well you are 55% that partner holds at least one of the major suit aces so slam isn't really a problem. I would start with 4♠ and over partner's 5♥ bid 6♣. Thinking about it more RKC could work out well just pass the 5♣ (see 0314 sometimes does have advantages over 1430) and bid 6 or 7♣ for the appropriate other response.

Are you confident partner won't pass 4♠?



Natural forcing 4C followed by 4NT for me (direct 4N for me is RKC for spades). Will try 6C if partner raises.
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Posted 2009-October-26, 08:54

Fluffy, on Oct 26 2009, 08:35 AM, said:

I have no methods for ace asking O_o

This is not one of those situations where weak fields make it easier for me. I really didn't find this situation before. Do you really have 2 ways for ace/keycard asking?

Yes. Not using 4♣ I understand of course, but what in the world other meaning are you using for 4NT?
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Posted 2009-October-26, 09:15

keycard blackwood with spades as fit
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Posted 2009-October-26, 09:29

I was actually watching this on BBO. N/S were a very strong pair (but I assume playing 'pickup') and I was just a little surprised at the result.

The person holding the ♠2 ♥3 ♦AKQ43 ♣AKQJ74 elected to just bid 4♠. I'm guessing that there was no agreement re: what 4♣ or 4NT would be.

Here's the full deal:
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I just thought it'd be interested to see what folks on here would agree re: the meanings of various bids over 2♠ and what your plan would be.
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Posted 2009-October-26, 09:29

manudude03, on Oct 26 2009, 09:25 AM, said:

pooltuna, on Oct 26 2009, 01:56 PM, said:

HeavyDluxe, on Oct 25 2009, 11:09 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

3♠ - (p) - ??


What would you bid?  What would you do different (if anything) based on vulnerability?

well you are 55% that partner holds at least one of the major suit aces so slam isn't really a problem. I would start with 4♠ and over partner's 5♥ bid 6♣. Thinking about it more RKC could work out well just pass the 5♣ (see 0314 sometimes does have advantages over 1430) and bid 6 or 7♣ for the appropriate other response.

Are you confident partner won't pass 4♠?



Natural forcing 4C followed by 4NT for me (direct 4N for me is RKC for spades). Will try 6C if partner raises.

:) misread the auction I thought 3♠ was an opponents preempt
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Posted 2009-October-27, 03:14

pooltuna, on Oct 27 2009, 12:29 AM, said:

:lol: misread the auction I thought 3♠ was an opponents preempt

After I saw what he preempted with, I think it was an opponents preempt.
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