[gwnn]

x
Qxxxxxx
xxx
xx

all vul imps:

1♠-p-1NT-2♣
x*-p-?

* = slow (but you can be 100% that it's takeout)

Please don't tell me that the best way to post these hands is without the UI. I wonder what you would have done in my place, when it was a quite obvious BIT.

[karlson]

I would just bid 2♥, with or without the hesitation.

Not really clear to me what the hesitation suggests. If he was thinking of passing, perhaps his hand sucks and I'm supposed to hang him. But maybe he was thinking because he was offshape (say, doubleton diamond) in which case bidding more might work out well. Or maybe he was thinking of bidding 2♥, that would be good for us too.

Anyway, I can see someone making an argument for 3♥, and if that's what they chose, I wouldn't really buy the argument that it was suggested by the hesitation.

[Jlall]

pass. JK just put eye drops in!

[pooltuna]

gwnn, on Oct 25 2009, 06:50 PM, said:

x
Qxxxxxx
xxx
xx

all vul imps:

1♠-p-1NT-2♣
x*-p-?

* = slow (but you can be 100% that it's takeout)

Please don't tell me that the best way to post these hands is without the UI. I wonder what you would have done in my place, when it was a quite obvious BIT.

I believe the terminology is "Pass is an illogical alternative"

[Jlall]

Misread auction lol, 4H

[hanp]

Nonsense was here.

[helene_t]

Maybe I am supposed to bid 3♥ because partner's pause suggests it's a less than ideal t/o double?

I think I bid 2♥ anyway.

[P_Marlowe]

2H.

If it is the partnership agreement, which it would be
for us, than I dont see a problem with 2H.

3H would be no option for us, since this would show
a constructive hand.
We currently play a 3H response to a 1S opening as 4-7
with 7 hearts, and a delayed 3H bis as 8-(-)10 with 7
hearts, so 3H is out.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[billw55]

Am I misreading this? I bid 1NT with seven hearts and a 2-count?

[gwnn]

the terror!

[hatchett]

Quote

We currently play a 3H response to a 1S opening as 4-7
with 7 hearts, and a delayed 3H bis as 8-(-)10 with 7
hearts, so 3H is out.

LOL so you wouldn't bid 4♥ or something even stronger with this after a takeout double.

I thought I was the one misreading the problem seeing all the 2♥ calls.

[billw55]

So I am curious. If you bid 1NT then hearts with

x
Qxxxxxx
xxx
xx

then how do you bid, say,

xx
Qxxx
Kxxx
Qxx

or maybe

x
Kxxx
QJxx
xxxx

or any of many similar hands? How will partner distinguish?

Would you bid this way with only ♥Jxxxxxx? How about ♥xxxxxxx?

[helene_t]

billw55, on Oct 26 2009, 02:33 PM, said:

then how do you bid, say,

xx
Qxxx
Kxxx
Qxx

or maybe

x
Kxxx
QJxx
xxxx

1NT and pass (unless partner makes a forcing rebid). Probably 2♠ if p rebids 2♣, though.

1♠-1NT
2♣-2♥
shows (5)6+ hearts and a weak hand (max 9 points, less if you have 7 hearts)

1♠-1NT
2♣-3♥
shows 6 hearts and some 10 points (or a little less if you have 7 hearts)

[billw55]

I mean on this auction, where lefty interferes and partner doubles for takeout.

[helene_t]

Ah OK. Then I bid 2♥ on any weak hand with 4+ hearts. If opener bids again (say 3♦ or 2NT) then I will pass with the balanced hand but bid 3♥ or 4♥ with the long hearts.

[billw55]

OK.

So, from opener's point of view, responder's sequence shows perhaps 0-8? For that matter, the 1NT call by itself shows maybe 0-10? Won't such wide ranges make it hard for opener to make a good decision?

Sorry for the silly questions, I am trying to learn something here.

[gnasher]

With the two bad balanced hands posted by billw55 you bid 2♥. With the much better hand in the original post you bid 3♥ or 4♥, depending upon how aggressive you are.

If the double shows extra values, I think you should bid 4♥. Partner can't be much worse than KQxxx Kxx AQxx x or KQxxx Kxx AQx Ax.

Does the double show extras? It would be nice to be able to show one's shape with a minimum 5(43)1. If double doesn't show extras, 3♥ is enough.

[gwnn]

I guess this is an improper question but does the fact that you noticed partner's hesitation before oblige you in any way to do something? Some people argue that it's inconclusive, some people argue that it demonstrably suggests that partner is weak i.e. bidding weakly could be more successful. I still don't know.

(Iceland has the advantage that I have no UI from partner's misinformation but the disadvantage that there are no screens)

[pooltuna]

billw55, on Oct 26 2009, 07:36 AM, said:

Am I misreading this? I bid 1NT with seven hearts and a 2-count?

you missed the Forcing part of 1NT

[pooltuna]

gwnn, on Oct 26 2009, 09:31 AM, said:

I guess this is an improper question but does the fact that you noticed partner's hesitation before oblige you in any way to do something? Some people argue that it's inconclusive, some people argue that it demonstrably suggests that partner is weak i.e. bidding weakly could be more successful. I still don't know.

(Iceland has the advantage that I have no UI from partner's misinformation but the disadvantage that there are no screens)

you are ethically required to choose from among the logical alternatives not suggested by the hesitation. Generally that means you have to pass