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Opening lead is Q♠, west winning and continuing J♠.
West wins and leads a ♥ to the ace in dummy.
What is the right line in diamonds?
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Posted 2009-October-22, 21:27
Opening lead is Q♠, west winning and continuing J♠.
West wins and leads a ♥ to the ace in dummy.
What is the right line in diamonds?
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Posted 2009-October-22, 21:47
West has made a nice play if he has underled his KQ of hearts, and a very nice play if he has underled his KQJ of hearts. Most people aren't up to that, so I'll place RHO with a heart honor and try to drop the DK offsides. I will lead the queen from dummy just in case RHO wants to cover if I'm wrong.
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Posted 2009-October-23, 01:46
As Justin pointed out, the right play in diamonds seems now to bang down the Ace.
But actually, all this really looks fishy. What does West have in Hearts ?
I don't really believe West has KQJ♥ not holding the ♦K : of course, underleading KQJ seems attractive when lacking both minor Kings (I don't really think it's such a difficult play, if you take your time at trick 3). But what about the lead ? Would LHO really lead ♠Q when holding ♥KQJ ? Possible but unlikely.
So what about ♥KQx ? This time, West maybe concerned about declarer letting it desperatly run to Jx in a "noplay" contract (if declarer has a heart loser, very possible on the auction, it will not disapear). It's also unlikely.
So what about ♥K(J)x ? This looks impossible. West would fire back a Club and wait.
We first conclude that East has the Heart King, but let's go on with West-hearts.
What about ♥QJ ? This may look ridiculous again, unless East convinced his pard by playing a big spade on the Jack. I would like to know the spade spots played by East. In west seat, playing a heart back is necessary in case East has a void, and south ♥Kx. That would make a lot of sense to West : "if pard didnot overtake in Spades, he WANTS me to lead something."
OK now, at the table, if East really played big spades spots at trick 1-2, I would consider 1. that he was happy to hold the ♥K and show it (uselessly) to pard, and 2. West felt his pard might ruff a Heart next, and took his chance.
How long did West take to switch ? What kind of players are they ?
So let's lead the ♦Q and bang down the ♦Ace.
A last remark : one may object that EW had a sure way to defeat the contract when West has the stiff trump King : overtake in spades, and play for the uppercut. I really think it's an impossible defense to find for East. If South has the ♦AK (likely on the bidding), East will finish with egg on his face each time South had also xx in Hearts.
But actually, all this really looks fishy. What does West have in Hearts ?
I don't really believe West has KQJ♥ not holding the ♦K : of course, underleading KQJ seems attractive when lacking both minor Kings (I don't really think it's such a difficult play, if you take your time at trick 3). But what about the lead ? Would LHO really lead ♠Q when holding ♥KQJ ? Possible but unlikely.
So what about ♥KQx ? This time, West maybe concerned about declarer letting it desperatly run to Jx in a "noplay" contract (if declarer has a heart loser, very possible on the auction, it will not disapear). It's also unlikely.
So what about ♥K(J)x ? This looks impossible. West would fire back a Club and wait.
We first conclude that East has the Heart King, but let's go on with West-hearts.
What about ♥QJ ? This may look ridiculous again, unless East convinced his pard by playing a big spade on the Jack. I would like to know the spade spots played by East. In west seat, playing a heart back is necessary in case East has a void, and south ♥Kx. That would make a lot of sense to West : "if pard didnot overtake in Spades, he WANTS me to lead something."
OK now, at the table, if East really played big spades spots at trick 1-2, I would consider 1. that he was happy to hold the ♥K and show it (uselessly) to pard, and 2. West felt his pard might ruff a Heart next, and took his chance.
How long did West take to switch ? What kind of players are they ?
So let's lead the ♦Q and bang down the ♦Ace.
A last remark : one may object that EW had a sure way to defeat the contract when West has the stiff trump King : overtake in spades, and play for the uppercut. I really think it's an impossible defense to find for East. If South has the ♦AK (likely on the bidding), East will finish with egg on his face each time South had also xx in Hearts.
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Posted 2009-October-23, 12:10
yeah drop the stiff king
I am still wondering why RHO didn't overtake to play anything. A third spade wasn't obvious, but a club could work.
I am still wondering why RHO didn't overtake to play anything. A third spade wasn't obvious, but a club could work.
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Posted 2009-October-23, 12:39
dcohio, on Oct 22 2009, 10:27 PM, said:
Scoring: MP
Bidding:
p-(3♠)-4♦-(4-♠)
5♦- all pass
Bidding:
p-(3♠)-4♦-(4-♠)
5♦- all pass
Opening lead is Q♠, west winning and continuing J♠.
West wins and leads a ♥ to the ace in dummy.
What is the right line in diamonds?
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Bidding:
p-(3♠)-4♦-(4-♠)
5♦- all pass