[anssibragge]

Suddenly, being kicked out of some tournaments w/out a reason...

And in addition somehow just being alone out there.

Not being kicked out or forcing myself to restart my desktop not to mention my computer.

But how should I be aware of in which all tournaments I still am registered as a sub?

Well, I'm sure this'll all be thought of in the next version

abe

[anssibragge]

I might be drunk rigth now - which I would of course forever deny.

But in the ex company I was a clear #1 finding bugs and end-user disabilities. 182 bug reports in a half a year after 4 years of product development.

Somehow I don't feel excited about reporting here software related issues

abe

[spiralscan]

♦I'm firmly of the opinion that both players AND subs need some protection. The player against getting a terrible sub and the sub against getting a miserable player who may have already gone through 2 or more subs! I'd like to see a way for the software to allow a sub to gracefully bow out when they find out a person is totally incompatible (without the current abandon penalty) or conversely if a player requests a sub and finds out that sub is totally incompetent - NOT be forced to play with that person for the remainder of the tournament and be allowed to either replace the player or exit themselves. Perhaps this is too much for directors to handle. With the use of the current "I need a Sub for my Partner Button", if the player is automatically replaced with NO penalty then perhaps some tempers could be saved. I know I myself would appreciate such a feature. I realize that often no subs are available and this would put pressure on the ever dwindling sub list but when subs ARE available (or if perhaps you could request a known person to come and sub) this would certainly be helpful. Abusers on both sides could be tracked easily enough by keeping track of hand records. Perhaps the software could be written in such a way that it logged the hand record etc to both BBO AND to the player's PC thereby not leaving the entire onus on BBO to track abusers. As an example, I'll give an event where I was called in to sub........

I held the following hand: ♠ x ♥akqT9 ♦xx ♣jt9xx

I hear 2spades weak on my right. With my known partnership, this is an easy 3s cue (slip michaels or strong takeout) bid but with a total unknown it's a lot harder. Do I pass and wait developments and risk a possible loss of game, or risk a possible penalty x. Since we were nv vs v i deided the latter and bid 3♥ LHO passed and partner immediately bid 6♦. I'm now stuck. Do i pass, bid 6[H] or try 7♣, I tryed 7♣ which was doubled by LHO. and passed. As it turned out 7 diamonds was on and had my partner bid slower we would have found the proper grand. I asked partner why he didn't bid 4[D] to force and he left the table. Such is the life of a sub.

I eventually found another sub but due to the fact profiles are not shown I ended up with someone who played a method completely alien to mine (strong 2's). The first board I passed holding a decent hand again:

♠AJTX ♥KQTxx ♦xx ♣xx

I passed in first seat, and 3♣ was opened in 2nd seat. Partner bids 3♦, pass to me and I bid 3♥. Partner now rebids his diamonds and everyone passes. Dummy comes down......

and partner 3 gorgeous hearts and 4 lovely spades. We not only missed game but we were cold for 6 hearts or 6 spades. I really wanted out and rather than be frustrated any longer I took one of my abandons. But I don't feel that I as the sub that was punished by BOTH players should have been the one punished.

Any comments?

[inquiry]

spiralscan, on Jul 5 2004, 02:42 PM, said:

Any comments?

1) Subs should not be punished if they can't finish an event. If you START one, you should finish it, tht is about it imho.

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I asked partner why he didn't bid 4[D] to force and he left the table.

2) Bad form, really. You are subbing for what, 3, 5, 7 hands with a player you are likely never to play with again. Don't offer lessons, don't ask questions after a horrible result. I would say sorry partner, play down however many, and move on to the next hand. When you sub, consider it like an extended individual. Save your bridge lesson/questions when you are playing with someone you want to play a lot with.

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♠AJTX ♥KQTxx ♦xx ♣xx

I passed in first seat, and 3♣ was opened in 2nd seat. Partner bids 3♦, pass to me and I bid 3♥. Partner now rebids his diamonds and everyone passes. Dummy comes down......

and partner 3 gorgeous hearts and 4 lovely spades. We not only missed game but we were cold for 6 hearts or 6 spades. I really wanted out and rather than be frustrated any longer I took one of my abandons.

Subs have to view subbing as a way to meet new friends, to have fun, to learn how "the average (?) player bids". You are going to get horrible results more than ocasssionally when subbing. Laugh it off and move on.

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But I don't feel that I as the sub that was punished by BOTH players should have been the one punished.

3) See #1 above. There was a discussion of this possibility (that subs not finishing would be no problem for the sub), I am not sure what the final decision was on this... see uday's post at... Uday raising the question

Ben

[keylime]

This is just a horrible deficiency in the software right now. We get willing people who place their names on a sub list, and the players that need a sub can't even determine what general scheme they use. There surely must be some way to allow for players needing subs to have some clue on what a potential's sub compatibility is in relation to them.

I've had this happen to me - a well meaning player comes into an event, only to find out that the only thing they play is Polish Club. No SAYC, 2/1, Precision - just WJ2000. Now, tell me how this is fair to both parties?

I really don't like the concept of this "no-fault" abandon policy. Situations like this one just adds to the grief of the already aggrieved person. I don't buy this "stick it out" theme, when you can't even agree on a basic scheme. This just makes me wonder about some things.