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#1 User is online   paulg 

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Posted 2009-September-19, 05:56

My partner took a couple of actions in last night's match that I thought were poorly judged, but in the post mortem more than one person did the same so perhaps it is my judgement that is impaired.

Scoring: Total Points

1♠ (3♥) ?

You are playing SAYC and 3♥ is described as intermediate (typically 11-15 HCP with a fair 6-card suit).

Your call?

If you bid 3♠, then the auction continues (4♥) 4♠ (5♥) back to you?

The second hand is interesting in that I feel my initial view was wrong and my partner probably did judge well, even though I would not have done the same.

Scoring: Total Points

1♠ (3♥) ?

My partner passed, when I would have doubled. RHO also passed and I balanced with 2♣ which became the final contract, making 10 tricks for the par score.

If partner had doubled, there is a great temptation to bid the no-play 3NT over my 3C response especially at aggregate scoring.

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Posted 2009-September-19, 06:52

cardsharp, on Sep 19 2009, 06:56 AM, said:

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My partner took a couple of actions in last night's match that I thought were poorly judged, but in the post mortem more than one person did the same so perhaps it is my judgement that is impaired.

Scoring: Total Points

1♠ (3♥) ?

You are playing SAYC and 3♥ is described as intermediate (typically 11-15 HCP with a fair 6-card suit).

Your call?


I have no quibble with either 3♠ or 4♠. Pass is unacceptable

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If you bid 3♠, then the auction continues (4♥) 4♠ (5♥) back to you?


Think about the hands you could hold for your 3♠ call. IMO they could be as bad as a nonconstructive raise yet partner still felt comfortable bidding 4♠. Consequently I don't have a problem bidding 5♠ at this point.

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Posted 2009-September-19, 08:45

1. 4♠ right away. In your auction I pass I would double (and hate it).

2. I would double, but passing is fine. However, I don't understand passing over 2♣, what is wrong with 2N? It's not like that would be forcing to 4N. If partner has ♣KQ-6th and another king we want to be in game!
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Posted 2009-September-19, 10:48

1) 4S to begin with and pass now.

2) double
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Posted 2009-September-19, 12:38

On the first one, I bid 4♠ on the first round. If they bid 5♥ over that, I double, completing a reasonable description of my hand.

On the second, I double 1♥ because everyone else does. Modern takeout doubles being what they are, partner should have quite a good hand to bid 3♣ in reply - ♣KQxxx and ♦A would be typical.

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  dbl (pass) 3♣ (pass)
I bid 3NT, which will probably go down if we have to lose a club, but make otherwise. For the same reason, I'd bid 2NT in your actual auction. What did partner have?
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Posted 2009-September-19, 13:51

The first hand was a bit of a distributional freak, as the 3♥ bidder has a 1840 5-count that can make twelve tricks if you guess the red queens. I thought that 4♠ was clear and that 3♠ followed by double was misguided. 5♠ would go for -300.

On the second hand I held ♠xx ♥xx ♦AKxx ♣Qxxxx. Perhaps not ideal for a 3♣ response to a takeout double, but aggregate scoring rewards games more than IMPs.

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Posted 2009-September-19, 14:55

cardsharp, on Sep 19 2009, 02:51 PM, said:

The first hand was a bit of a distributional freak, as the 3♥ bidder has a 1840 5-count that can make twelve tricks if you guess the red queens. I thought that 4♠ was clear and that 3♠ followed by double was misguided. 5♠ would go for -300.

Yeah I hate doubling when the 3H bidder bids 5H, imo if theyre not crazy that's usually 7-5 or 7-4-2-void maybe. I know I know people say I never double in these auctions etc but doubling them with 1 trick when they have a distributional freak and their partner has a fit seems bad.
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Posted 2009-September-20, 17:36

cardsharp, on Sep 19 2009, 06:56 AM, said:

Scoring: Total Points

My partner took a couple of actions in last night's match that I thought were poorly judged, but in the post mortem more than one person did the same so perhaps it is my judgement that is impaired.
1♠ (3♥) ?
You are playing SAYC and 3♥ is described as intermediate (typically 11-15 HCP with a fair 6-card suit). Your call?
If you bid 3♠, then the auction continues (4♥) 4♠ (5♥) back to you?

Scoring: Total Points

My partner took a couple of actions in last night's match that I thought were poorly judged, but in the post mortem more than one person did the same so perhaps it is my judgement that is impaired.
1♠ (3♥) ?
You are playing SAYC and 3♥ is described as intermediate (typically 11-15 HCP with a fair 6-card suit). Your call?
If you bid 3♠, then the auction continues (4♥) 4♠ (5♥) back to you?


Paul

JLall agrees with you Paul, so your judgement can't be too bad. IMO...
    • Over (3♥). 4♠ = 10, 3♠ = 5
    • Over (5♥), _P = 10, _X = 8, 5♠ = 5.

  • Over (1♠), _X = 10, _P = 8, 1N = 6.

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