For those of you who are a little more scientific. What if it had gone: 4NT-5♦; 5♥?
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#1
Posted 2009-September-15, 09:15
For those of you who are a little more scientific. What if it had gone: 4NT-5♦; 5♥?
#2
Posted 2009-September-15, 12:48
Seems like a crapshoot over the direct 5H raise. He could have xx AQxx xx KQxxx easily or he could have x Axxxx AQxx Jxx just as easily.
I'm going to pass beause:
1) They might get a spade ruff vs 6H
2) If partner has a spade void he can bid 5H VERY aggressively
3) If spades are 7-4-1-1 around the table it might be hard to ruff spades in dummy
4) I always give partner lots of room in this type of situation.
#3
Posted 2009-September-15, 13:12
I can point a reason for 6♥, it is more likelly to gather a phantom sacrifice from opponents. But Justin conviced me, pass is probably better in the long run.
#4
Posted 2009-September-16, 03:55
P P 1S P
4S 4NT X 5C
6S 7C P P
X -,
at MPs where 6S was -1 and 7C X was -800 for a top.
So whatever the reasons, if your table feel says the opps are going to sac, then bid 6H.
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#5
Posted 2009-September-16, 06:19
#6
Posted 2009-September-16, 07:10
#7
Posted 2009-September-16, 08:47
Jlall, on Sep 15 2009, 01:48 PM, said:
Why would this sequence be any different from:
(4♠) - dbl - (pass) - 4N
(pass) - 5♦ - (pass) - 5♥
which is stronger than a direct 5♥?
I'm having a hard time coming up with a hand containing hearts and clubs that wants to bid 4N.
Otherwise I agree. Too many unknowns for 6.
If MikeH were around, he'd agree too LOL.
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#8
Posted 2009-September-16, 11:55
Phil, on Sep 17 2009, 02:47 AM, said:
Jlall, on Sep 15 2009, 01:48 PM, said:
Why would this sequence be any different from:
(4♠) - dbl - (pass) - 4N
(pass) - 5♦ - (pass) - 5♥
which is stronger than a direct 5♥?
I'm having a hard time coming up with a hand containing hearts and clubs that wants to bid 4N.
I thought 4NT is just two places to play.
Doubler said not clubs so diamonds or hearts.
4NT bidder said ok hearts then. Usually this will be hearts and clubs but I could also be hearts and diamonds.
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#9
Posted 2009-September-16, 11:57
Phil, on Sep 16 2009, 09:47 AM, said:
Jlall, on Sep 15 2009, 01:48 PM, said:
Why would this sequence be any different from:
(4♠) - dbl - (pass) - 4N
(pass) - 5♦ - (pass) - 5♥
which is stronger than a direct 5♥?
LOL
#10
Posted 2009-September-16, 12:47
4NT-5♣; 5♥. Which is clearly a big raise in hearts.
Obviously on this hand there is a huge possibility that partner has hearts and clubs... but due to the 6th heart isn't there also a big possibility that he's got the minors? So there are two battling possibilities as to whether partner has a big raise in hearts. But it seems like the rounds is the clear winner there.
Justin, I thought you were a proponent of this? I can understand the LOLs but I thought that someone might at least mention this. I'm sure Phil just got crossed up.
#11
Posted 2009-September-16, 17:36
4NT is usually two places to play. If, however, the 4NT bidder has two places to play, that makes 4NT-5♣-5♥ meaningless. Sometimes you can exploit this to show a slam-try in hearts.
If it goes 4NT-5♣, you can bid 5♥ to show a slam-try in hearts.
If it goes 4NT-5♦, you can't. 5♥ is what you'd bid if your two places to play were hearts and clubs. It's a signoff.
If you were dealt a slam try, and partner bids 5♦ in reply to 4NT, you guess whether to sign off in 5♥ or to bid 6♥. That's the same guess as you faced on the round before, so you're no worse off.

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