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#1 User is offline   jillybean 

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Posted 2009-September-12, 08:57

Scoring: MP

(3) ?

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Posted 2009-September-12, 09:16

pass: bidding over a preempt directly should have more values

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Posted 2009-September-12, 09:23

Pass - we have a pretty horrible hand. Replace the value of the king of diamonds to the king of hearts or clubs then I would X.
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Posted 2009-September-12, 09:34

Yuck, pass.
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Posted 2009-September-12, 10:03

Move the King of diamonds to anothr suit, and I am bidding,
so I Pass.

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Posted 2009-September-12, 22:29

Our almost certainly worthless stiff K meand that we are too weak to think about bidding here. Clear pass and hope PD balances.
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Posted 2009-September-15, 20:11

Doesn't the person with the shortness have to bid? What is pard going to do with

T543
KJ
T765
AQ4

Or

54
AJ76
T765
AQJ

Doesn't he have to pass? And you can make game.

If you have a bad hand with length in diamonds there's no problems passing, but with shortness, your partner may not have a bid, a bid by you should at least be considered!
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Posted 2009-September-15, 20:20

Pass. Agree with Uwe that I would the D K somewhere else.
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Posted 2009-September-16, 05:00

Quantumcat, on Sep 15 2009, 09:11 PM, said:

Doesn't the person with the shortness have to bid?

If we could always find those 11hcp vs 13hcp games after a 3 preempt, 3-level preempts would be a lot less common.

Also, I don't see why the shorter hand has to bid. If I have 16+ HCP and 4-5s over 3, I can figure out that partner is short all by myself. On the flipside, if I'm short on diamonds with a weak hand, I don't really know whether partner or responder is the power hand.
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Posted 2009-September-16, 09:05

The_Hog, on Sep 15 2009, 09:20 PM, said:

Pass. Agree with Uwe that I would the D K somewhere else.

Agree x2
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Posted 2009-September-16, 09:15

Clear pass.

Don't agree that I would bid if the K was an x and I had an additional honor in some other suit. At best, that hand is a very marginal action over a preempt.
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