[kgr]

Scoring: MP

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RHO opens 2♠ Muiderberg (Weak with 5 card ♠ and 4+ minor). Is this enough to bid at MP's?

[se12sam]

I'd pass and wait for partner's action (if any).

[kenrexford]

I'd bid and wait for partner's action (if any).

[rd6789]

kenrexford, on Aug 22 2009, 08:20 AM, said:

I'd bid and wait for partner's action (if any).

me too - I have 6 tricks (all being well) and its unlikely lho will X for penalties as he/she won't have great hearts and doesn't know what partner's other suit is - and very unlikely partner will be X'ing for t/o

[pooltuna]

kgr, on Aug 22 2009, 05:26 AM, said:

Scoring: MP

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RHO opens 2♠ Muiderberg (Weak with 5 card ♠ and 4+ minor). Is this enough to bid at MP's?

suspect it depends on agreements I would use 2NT as a sort of reverse Lebensohl where over partner's 3m bid I could make a NF 3♥ call. I would expect any 3 level call over 2♠ to be forcing

[cherdanno]

pooltuna, on Aug 22 2009, 11:30 AM, said:

kgr, on Aug 22 2009, 05:26 AM, said:

Dealer: East Vul: None Scoring: MP

♠ x ♥ AKQTxx ♦ Txx ♣ xxx

RHO opens 2♠ Muiderberg (Weak with 5 card ♠ and 4+ minor). Is this enough to bid at MP's?

suspect it depends on agreements I would use 2NT as a sort of reverse Lebensohl where over partner's 3m bid I could make a NF 3♥ call. I would expect any 3 level call over 2♠ to be forcing

What planet do you live on? Without special agreements 2NT is natural, and any 3-level bid is non-forcing.

[pooltuna]

cherdanno, on Aug 22 2009, 11:34 AM, said:

pooltuna, on Aug 22 2009, 11:30 AM, said:

kgr, on Aug 22 2009, 05:26 AM, said:

<!-- ONEHAND begin --><table border='1'> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td> Dealer: </td> <td> East </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Vul: </td> <td> None </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Scoring: </td> <td> MP </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table> <tr> <th> <span class='spades'> ♠ </span> </th> <td> x </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='hearts'> ♥ </span> </th> <td> AKQTxx </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='diamonds'> ♦ </span> </th> <td> Txx </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='clubs'> ♣ </span> </th> <td> xxx </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td>  </td> </tr> </table><!-- ONEHAND end -->
RHO opens 2♠ Muiderberg (Weak with 5 card ♠ and 4+ minor). Is this enough to bid at MP's?

suspect it depends on agreements I would use 2NT as a sort of reverse Lebensohl where over partner's 3m bid I could make a NF 3♥ call. I would expect any 3 level call over 2♠ to be forcing

What planet do you live on? Without special agreements 2NT is natural, and any 3-level bid is non-forcing.

Don't use Muiderberg but was presuming that 2NT was used to find the minor suit in the 2♠ bidders hand. Having seen some your responses at least I am from this universe

[helene_t]

pooltuna, it was rho who opened 2♠, not partner.

Just treat 2♠ as a normal preempt.

BTW the standard responses to muiderberg are: 2NT GF, 3♣ p/c.

[skjaeran]

helene_t, on Aug 22 2009, 06:50 PM, said:

pooltuna, it was rho who opened 2♠, not partner.

Just treat 2♠ as a normal preempt.

BTW the standard responses to muiderberg are: 2NT GF, 3♣ p/c.

2NT GF really?

I'm used to playing 3♣ as p/c and 2NT as inv+.
Over 2NT 3m shows a minimum, and responder might pass, whereas 3M shows a maximum with the corresponding minor suit.

[cherdanno]

Sorry should have realized you were thinking of responding rather than overcalling, pooltuna.
I would overcall 3♥ in the problem situation, and I don't think it is close.

[neilkaz]

I'll bid 3♥ here at MP. We're white and unlikely to go for a big number with ♥ this strong.

[P_Marlowe]

3H

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Cascade]

skaeran, on Aug 23 2009, 05:39 AM, said:

helene_t, on Aug 22 2009, 06:50 PM, said:

pooltuna, it was rho who opened 2♠, not partner.

Just treat 2♠ as a normal preempt.

BTW the standard responses to muiderberg are: 2NT GF, 3♣ p/c.

2NT GF really?

I'm used to playing 3♣ as p/c and 2NT as inv+.
Over 2NT 3m shows a minimum, and responder might pass, whereas 3M shows a maximum with the corresponding minor suit.

On what auctions does responder have the flexibility to show his own minor?

[Cascade]

If I bid partner will put me to game with some hearts and ♦Axx ♣Axx or similar.

If I PASS partner will also PASS with some hearts and ♦ Ax ♣ Ax or similar.

Either could be right. I usually only bid with a little more distribution 6=4.

[kgr]

I did overcall 3♥ and my partner did bid 3NT, but he considered a slam try.
3NT just made.

[Cascade]

kgr, on Aug 23 2009, 12:41 PM, said:

I did overcall 3♥ and my partner did bid 3NT, but he considered a slam try.
3NT just made.

What was your partner's hand?

[kgr]

Cascade, on Aug 23 2009, 08:31 AM, said:

kgr, on Aug 23 2009, 12:41 PM, said:

I did overcall 3♥ and my partner did bid 3NT, but he considered a slam try.
3NT just made.

What was your partner's hand?

...I don't know, but here is a guess from what I remember of the play.

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I was more interested if the South hand was ok to overcall, independent of the result.
Thanks,
Koen

[Codo]

well done and 3 Heart was on the lower side on HCPS but 6 tricks in a solid suit and a shortness in their main suit is too much to pass.

Had you passed, Partner had been in a really tricky situation. Shall he pass given his heart shortage and spade length? Bid 3 Diamond?

The one with the shortness sometimes needs to act.

[skjaeran]

Cascade, on Aug 22 2009, 10:48 PM, said:

skaeran, on Aug 23 2009, 05:39 AM, said:

helene_t, on Aug 22 2009, 06:50 PM, said:

pooltuna, it was rho who opened 2♠, not partner.

Just treat 2♠ as a normal preempt.

BTW the standard responses to muiderberg are: 2NT GF, 3♣ p/c.

2NT GF really?

I'm used to playing 3♣ as p/c and 2NT as inv+.
Over 2NT 3m shows a minimum, and responder might pass, whereas 3M shows a maximum with the corresponding minor suit.

On what auctions does responder have the flexibility to show his own minor?

2M-4m is a natural GF for me.

[cherdanno]

Cascade, on Aug 22 2009, 03:52 PM, said:

If I bid partner will put me to game with some hearts and ♦Axx ♣Axx or similar.

So you score -100 in 4♥ instead of -140/-170 defending 2♠.