Bid one more?
#1
Posted 2009-August-20, 16:29
2H with this collection:
Qxx KJxxxx K10xx (void) The auction proceeds: 2H (3S) 4H
(4S) .Thoughts?
#2
Posted 2009-August-20, 20:03
#3
Posted 2009-August-20, 20:08
#4
Posted 2009-August-20, 20:35
--Always remember you're unique. Just like everyone else.
#5
Posted 2009-August-20, 20:56
Obviously lightner double would be great if you play that.
#6
Posted 2009-August-20, 21:24
effervesce, on Aug 21 2009, 02:35 PM, said:
Is that encouraging partner to lead the spade that Ron doesn't want
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
#7
Posted 2009-August-21, 07:49
lexlogan, on Aug 20 2009, 05:29 PM, said:
2H with this collection:
Qxx KJxxxx K10xx (void) The auction proceeds: 2H (3S) 4H
(4S) .Thoughts?
I answered this already on RGB and the answer is the same. When I bid 2♥ I made partner captain and all decisions are now his to make.
the Freman, Chani from the move "Dune"
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw
#8
Posted 2009-August-21, 09:34
I think there are too many layouts which allows 4♠ to make, against any lead ...
Before internet age you had a suspicion there are lots of "not-so-smart" people on the planet. Now you even know their names.
#9
Posted 2009-August-22, 17:10
#10
Posted 2009-August-22, 23:25
#11
Posted 2009-August-23, 01:07
pooltuna, on Aug 22 2009, 01:49 AM, said:
lexlogan, on Aug 20 2009, 05:29 PM, said:
2H with this collection:
Qxx KJxxxx K10xx (void) The auction proceeds: 2H (3S) 4H
(4S) .Thoughts?
I answered this already on RGB and the answer is the same. When I bid 2♥ I made partner captain and all decisions are now his to make.
This seems a very simplistic approach for a bid that is typically wide-ranging. 2♥ is normally 6-10 or some similar range. That can include reasonably balanced distributions like 6-3-2-2 or more distributional hands like the 6-4-3-0 in this thread or perhaps something even more distributional.
Yes I know it is the standard advice and maybe it is applicable if you restrict your weak twos to two of the top three honours and no side aces and no side voids and no side four-card majors. But I don't think that is the current style for most players.
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
#12
Posted 2009-August-23, 04:47
neilkaz, on Aug 22 2009, 06:10 PM, said:
Yep, that sums it up
#13
Posted 2009-August-25, 10:16
despite my obvious shortage, bid 5C for the lead. The full hand:
2H-(3S)-4H-(4S)
5C*-(Dbl)-P (P) *misexplained by me as a side 5-card suit
5H-(P) -P -(5S)
Dbl* (all pass) *asked and explained as penalty
Assuming partner had a diamond void, I led the Ace. When dummy hit
with 5 clubs, I assumed there weren't 15 in the deck, switched to a
high club spot, partner ruffed and returned a heart, second club ruff
for +300. A club lead initially beats 5S 3 tricks for +500, while we
can make at least +450 in hearts.
I'm surprised at the number who would've passed initially or opened
something else with partner's hand; lacking Aces I wouldn't consider a
1H opening, the suit quality is adequate fro 2H but inadequate for
anything more. Basically, we believe in opening 2 with a fair six-card
suit, 8-10 hcp and less than 2.5 quick tricks. We had explicitly
discussed opening 6-5 hands that way (a method I've seen advocated by
various experts) which is why I assumed that's what partner's 5C bid
showed (probably headed by the A or AK since I assumed it was also
lead directing.)
I might've passed over 4S with partner's hand if I didn't think too
deeply or as a matter of discipline, in which case 4S makes unless I
divine to lead a club at trick one or two. So it's a double-game swing
hand, and 5C is clearly the winning call.
As a matter of theory the suggestion that a raise to 4 of a suit below
their major is intended as cooperative seems possibly more useful than
the blanket assumption "partner knows what he wants to do over 4S." In
fact I didn't; I felt like 4H might make and 4S might go down, so
passing seemed wrong, but I was not prepared to double 4S or commit
our side to 5H. (I've lectured partner repeatedly about not chasing
them into a game we don't want to defend against, so he could
reasonably assume I had some defense to 4S.)
And now for the real story:
When partner bid 5C, West, a Gold Life Master who thinks anyone who
plays a different system or makes a bid she wouldn't make is being
underhanded or unethical, asked about partner's 5C and made few
negative comments along with her double. When partner doubled 5S she
announced "There's going to be a director call about this. I don't
like this. This happens all the time and I don't like this." I
suggested as politely as I was able that she call the director
immediately. The director listened, looked at partner's hand and made
no particular comment. Afterwards, of course, West kept bitching. It
took at least two director calls by me ("west is interfering with my
enjoyment of the game") before everyone was ordered to cease
discussion of the hand.
There was no break in tempo beyond the normal pause over West's jump
( a pause I strive for over every jump, whether or not I have anything
to consider), and no accusation that partner acted with unauthorized
information. The sole basis of West's complaint was that "In Standard
American, when you open a weak two you don't bid again." At some point
she actually tossed out the word "unethical." Of course partner's
bidding might be undisciplined and/or unwise, but not unethical.
The director took notes and, in a whisper to me, said she had reported
West before for such behavior.
#14
Posted 2009-August-25, 10:27
Harald
#15
Posted 2009-August-25, 11:52
Cascade, on Aug 23 2009, 08:07 AM, said:
Partner's range (and aims in bidding 4♥ ) are even more wide-ranging. Partner knows what I have better than I know what partner has. Perhaps I should have opened 3♥ if I'm not content to pass now?
London UK
#16
Posted 2009-August-25, 12:13
skaeran, on Aug 25 2009, 11:27 AM, said:
I hope West leaves the club some night and finds her tires slashed.
#17
Posted 2009-August-25, 12:32
But when partner supports the heart quality isn't an issue anymore and maybe I have the rights to bid one more.
The fact that opponents support spades where I ahve 3 cards makes it even more appealing to bid once again.
So never say never
#18
Posted 2009-August-25, 12:55
gordontd, on Aug 25 2009, 05:52 PM, said:
Cascade, on Aug 23 2009, 08:07 AM, said:
Partner's range (and aims in bidding 4♥ ) are even more wide-ranging. Partner knows what I have better than I know what partner has. Perhaps I should have opened 3♥ if I'm not content to pass now?
I think the fact we had agreed that certain types of hands (the 6-5 I was expecting) can open 2♥ and bid again allows opener some license in our partnership. I don't think 1♥, 3♥ or 4♥ are good descriptions of opener's hand; as Fluffy says, the suit quality was adequate for 2♥ but not necessarily anything higher. Once I competed to the 4 level partner's hand increased in playing strength, and the opp's bidding and raising spades made it easy to visualize a singleton or void in my hand.
I have no idea whether I would've bid again with partner's hand but, in the future, I'm sure I would. We've now agreed to treat a raise to 4 below the opp's major as a cooperative rather than unilateral bid.
#19
Posted 2009-August-25, 15:57
♠ AJ10xxxx
♥ Qx
♦ x
♣ KJx
and then has the audacity to complain about opponents' bidding?
#20
Posted 2009-August-25, 16:41
It might be fun to make some absurd psyche against her sometime if I feel like it. But yeah, her behavior was way out of line, especially since she kept complaining after the game.
The most remarkable thing about her whole outburst was that she finished second place, and by a good margin. So it wasn't like she had a bad game, or that board decided if she finished 1st or 2nd. Attitudes like hers holds bridge back a lot. Next time know the club is on your side on this matter, and don't respond to her.

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