[Cascade]

Dealer: East Vul: EW Scoring: IMP

♠ Q9 ♥ AK4 ♦ T982 ♣ AK93

West North East South

 -     -     Pass  1♣
 Pass  1♠    Pass  1NT
 Pass  2♥    Pass  2♠
 Pass  4NT   Pass  ?  

Edited Auction to remove final two Passes.

1♣, 1♠ Natural
1NT 15-17
2♥ 5+ spades
4NT Quantitative

Are you moving?

[Fluffy]

I am not moving, something fitting such as

♠AKJxx ♦AQx and a jack is giving us a bad slam.

[rd6789]

Fluffy, on Aug 15 2009, 06:08 AM, said:

♠AKJxx ♦AQx and a jack is giving us a bad slam.

This is a boring 15 count - I wouldn't expect partner to invite on that v 15-17

I am for 6 - the Q♠ is very good and I am not minimum - I would like partner to play it to protect his ♦ so I will try 6♠

ps why did I bid 2♠? doesnt that suggest 3?

[Fluffy]

rd6789, on Aug 15 2009, 11:24 AM, said:

ps why did I bid 2♠? doesnt that suggest 3?

You are forced in case partner is weak.

15 with concentrated honnors deosn't look bad but maybe a fitting queen is more likelly. As I see it if aprtner has Queens opposite AK it will be nice, but Jacks are not. But in addition he must have good spades, something like AJxxx or AKxxx is gonna make a bad slam, slam is never gonan be very good, but it can be very bad.

[Cascade]

rd6789, on Aug 15 2009, 11:24 PM, said:

Fluffy, on Aug 15 2009, 06:08 AM, said:

♠AKJxx ♦AQx  and a jack is giving us a bad slam.

This is a boring 15 count - I wouldn't expect partner to invite on that v 15-17

I am for 6 - the Q♠ is very good and I am not minimum - I would like partner to play it to protect his ♦ so I will try 6♠

ps why did I bid 2♠? doesnt that suggest 3?

No as Fluffy said this is the only way out to 2♠. You must bid 2♠ even if you have made an offbeat 1NT rebid with a singleton.

[rd6789]

Fluffy, on Aug 15 2009, 06:28 AM, said:

rd6789, on Aug 15 2009, 11:24 AM, said:

ps why did I bid 2♠? doesnt that suggest 3?

You are forced in case partner is weak.

ok I didn't realise that.

But my main poitn is partner has asked me to evaluate where I am on the 15-17 band and I have 16 with a good Q so not minimum so I bid a slam

[skjaeran]

I've got a good 16, 6 controls, 3 honours in partners suits, surely I'm moving.

Alternative bids are 5NT, 6♥ and 6NT. Prefer 6♥, to emphasize my good holding there.

[rd6789]

skaeran, on Aug 15 2009, 07:15 AM, said:

3 honours in partners suits

i think you mis-read the bidding - 2♥ a transfer not a suit.... but I agree with you that you must move

[cherdanno]

I would bid 6N.
Fluffy, I wouldn't call a balanced 15 count with one point in my suits "fitting". Also, the hand you construct is not such a bad slam as you have criss-cross squeeze chances in addition to just getting 3 diamond tricks.

[gwnn]

Partner asked me if I'm maximum, I have a good 16 with an honour for partner. So I bid 6NT.

[effervesce]

Prime values and honors in partner's suits make this a great hand. 6NT I suppose.

[Phil]

5NT just in case we have a 4-4 minor fit.

[Cascade]

Phil, on Aug 17 2009, 03:02 PM, said:

5NT just in case we have a 4-4 minor fit.

It wasn't mentioned in the OP but we don't bid this way with four clubs and the only hand with four diamonds that bids this way is precisely 5=2=4=2 or maybe 5=3=4=1 with a stiff club honour.

[Phil]

Cascade, on Aug 16 2009, 10:24 PM, said:

Phil, on Aug 17 2009, 03:02 PM, said:

5NT just in case we have a 4-4 minor fit.

It wasn't mentioned in the OP but we don't bid this way with four clubs and the only hand with four diamonds that bids this way is precisely 5=2=4=2 or maybe 5=3=4=1 with a stiff club honour.

Good to know.

In that case I bid 5N

[effervesce]

Phil, on Aug 16 2009, 11:20 PM, said:

Cascade, on Aug 16 2009, 10:24 PM, said:

Phil, on Aug 17 2009, 03:02 PM, said:

5NT just in case we have a 4-4 minor fit.

It wasn't mentioned in the OP but we don't bid this way with four clubs and the only hand with four diamonds that bids this way is precisely 5=2=4=2 or maybe 5=3=4=1 with a stiff club honour.

Good to know.

In that case I bid 5N

5NT works well too as a blame-transfer bid actually now that skaeran mentioned it 6♥, allowing partner to pick between 6♥, 6♠ and 6NT is probably better than bidding 6NT.

*Wonders what bidding 6♦ would be - pick a slam? 2245?

[benlessard]

passing is a joke.

[OleBerg]

Go.

[pooltuna]

rd6789, on Aug 15 2009, 06:52 AM, said:

Fluffy, on Aug 15 2009, 06:28 AM, said:

rd6789, on Aug 15 2009, 11:24 AM, said:

ps why did I bid 2♠? doesnt that suggest 3?

You are forced in case partner is weak.

ok I didn't realise that.

But my main poitn is partner has asked me to evaluate where I am on the 15-17 band and I have 16 with a good Q so not minimum so I bid a slam

I agree

[gnasher]

cherdanno, on Aug 15 2009, 01:59 PM, said:

I would bid 6N.
Fluffy, I wouldn't call a balanced 15 count with one point in my suits "fitting". Also, the hand you construct is not such a bad slam as you have criss-cross squeeze chances in addition to just getting 3 diamond tricks.

If Fluffy's optimistic partner has ♠10 instead of the rounded-suit jack, it's a good slam even without any squeeze chances. AQx opposite 1098x is worth three tricks more than half the time: low to the queen, followed by the ace if it holds and another finesse if it doesn't, works when RHO has J, Jx, Jxx, Kxx, xxx, Jxxx, Kxxx, xxxx, Jxxxx or Kxxxx. Pavilecek's calculator says that that's 53% of the time.

This post has been edited by gnasher: 2009-August-17, 15:10

[gwnn]

Not to imply I know what I'm talking about, but suitplay says you need to play low to Q and then run the T regardless if the Q held, claiming a 61.9% chance.