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#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2009-August-16, 15:54

AJ98xxx
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1♠-1NT (1NT forcing 1 round)
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Posted 2009-August-16, 16:29

4♠, I wanna hog the contract with all these honours to protect.
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Posted 2009-August-16, 16:35

helene_t, on Aug 16 2009, 05:29 PM, said:

4♠, I wanna hog the contract with all these honours to  protect.

yep...or even downgrade to 3s?...nah :D
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Posted 2009-August-16, 17:53

I play 3♠ is forcing sort of either a choice of games or something that has potential slam interest.

With an average suit AJ9 I would like partner to have some support to raise - I expect a raise with a stiff honour more often than not. Against this is the heart and club suits that I would prefer to get the lead up to.
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Posted 2009-August-16, 20:02

3NT, not 4S. The S suit will probably not play well opposite a s/t or void. The idea of "right siding" contracts can be taken to extremes and this is an example of this.
If you play 3S as forcing, this is what I would bid. I don't, but I play 2NT as forcing.
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Posted 2009-August-16, 20:31

The_Hog, on Aug 16 2009, 09:02 PM, said:

3NT, not 4S. The S suit will probably not play well opposite a s/t or void. The idea of "right siding" contracts can be taken to extremes and this is an example of this.
If you play 3S as forcing, this is what I would bid. I don't, but I play 2NT as forcing.

oh so which of your 2 card suits is going to serve as your source of tricks in 3NT :D
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Posted 2009-August-16, 22:02

pooltuna, on Aug 17 2009, 09:31 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Aug 16 2009, 09:02 PM, said:

3NT, not 4S. The S suit will probably not play well opposite a s/t or void. The idea of "right siding" contracts can be taken to extremes and this is an example of this.
If you play 3S as forcing, this is what I would bid. I don't, but I play 2NT as forcing.

oh so which of your 2 card suits is going to serve as your source of tricks in 3NT :D

Probably the same suits that you are going to have to play on when you play 4S opposite a possible void.
I already stated that I personally have a gadget for this type of hand. Given that we are not using pet gadgets, 4S is a very foolish and unilateral bid. Even better is to downgrade the hand and bid only 3S.
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Posted 2009-August-17, 02:15

Gazzilleah! :D Otherwise 3NT. I don't like 4♠.
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Posted 2009-August-17, 04:14

Free, on Aug 17 2009, 08:15 PM, said:

Gazzilleah! :P Otherwise 3NT. I don't like 4♠.

How do you show this hand with Gazilli. My version has 3♠ as forcing with all invites going through 2♣.
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Posted 2009-August-17, 06:57

Cascade, on Aug 17 2009, 11:14 AM, said:

Free, on Aug 17 2009, 08:15 PM, said:

Gazzilleah!  :P  Otherwise 3NT.  I don't like 4♠.

How do you show this hand with Gazilli. My version has 3♠ as forcing with all invites going through 2♣.

Start with 2♣, see what partner responds. After a 2♦ positive you bid 3♠ forcing (denying 3♥) and see what partner does. Note that for me this denies a solid suit.
Bidding 3♠ immediately shows a solid suit, sets trumps, and asks to start cuebidding.
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Posted 2009-August-17, 07:25

I rebid 4♠ wich made us miss slam, partner held

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Posted 2009-August-17, 09:01

Fluffy, on Aug 17 2009, 08:25 AM, said:

I rebid 4♠ wich made us miss slam, partner held

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Axx
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Must have been a Club slam.
Spade slam can't make.

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Posted 2009-August-17, 09:05

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Posted 2009-August-17, 10:58

I'm rebidding 2NT, conventional GF.

With the actual responding hand we'd bid:
1♠ - 1NT
2NT - 3♣ (5+ in a minor)
3♦ - 4♣ (relay, 6♣ and max)
4♦ - 4♥
4♠ - 4NT
5♠ - 6♣
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Posted 2009-August-17, 17:54

gwnn, on Aug 17 2009, 10:05 AM, said:

What's your point ONEferBRID?

No point. I was too flummoxed as to realistically get to a 6C slam.... skaeran's auction notwithsatanding.
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Posted 2009-August-17, 18:26

Harald's auction is similar to the one we would have after a similar artificail response. I wonder if the 4S bidders will consider the 4S bid poor in light of the result? Was it really such a surprise to find short S opposite?
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Posted 2009-August-18, 02:44

skaeran, on Aug 17 2009, 04:58 PM, said:

I'm rebidding 2NT, conventional GF.

With the actual responding hand we'd bid:
1♠ - 1NT
2NT - 3♣ (5+ in a minor)
3♦ - 4♣ (relay, 6♣ and max)
4♦ - 4♥
4♠ - 4NT
5♠ - 6♣

Is 3♦ totally forced? I would feel tempted to bid 3 spades. Specially if I can hold a balanced hand.
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Posted 2009-August-18, 12:52

Fluffy, on Aug 18 2009, 10:44 AM, said:

skaeran, on Aug 17 2009, 04:58 PM, said:

I'm rebidding 2NT, conventional GF.

With the actual responding hand we'd bid:
1♠ - 1NT
2NT - 3♣ (5+ in a minor)
3♦ - 4♣ (relay, 6♣ and max)
4♦ - 4♥
4♠ - 4NT
5♠ - 6♣

Is 3♦ totally forced? I would feel tempted to bid 3 spades. Specially if I can hold a balanced hand.

No, 3♦ isn't forced at all, opener can drop the relay if he wants, and might elect to rebid 3♠ with the actual hand.
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