[cherdanno]

Cascade, on Aug 13 2009, 07:28 PM, said:

5♥ down two.

RHO didn't really have a 4♠ bid - only four trumps but with a stiff heart. That meant that ♥ Qxx was offside for the second undertrick. Partner had ♠ xx yuk.

This was just a sanity check that 5♥ wasn't completely beyond the pale.

Why is a hand with four spades and a singleton heart not a 4♠ bid? Looks very normal to me.

[Cascade]

cherdanno, on Aug 14 2009, 12:42 PM, said:

Cascade, on Aug 13 2009, 07:28 PM, said:

5♥ down two.

RHO didn't really have a 4♠ bid - only four trumps but with a stiff heart.  That meant that ♥ Qxx was offside for the second undertrick.  Partner had ♠ xx yuk.

This was just a sanity check that 5♥ wasn't completely beyond the pale.

Why is a hand with four spades and a singleton heart not a 4♠ bid? Looks very normal to me.

Five trumps is more normal. Especially opposite a 3rd seat opening. The singleton heart is good for 4♠ but it is too easy to have a hand where 4♠ is too high. On the actual hand - sorry I don't have the hand record - par was 4♥ minus one with both sides having 9 tricks available.

[655321]

5♥ seems reasonable to me (as does double).

With 4 spades and a singleton heart RHO has made a good 4♠ bid to give us this problem. He has achieved two things. He doesn't have to decide whether or not to sell out to 4♥ when both games might be making, and he has given us this tough decision now. If RHO had made a cheaper bid, we could bid 4♥ then pass a later 4♠ (NF) having shown our hand.

BTW, the phrase 'the five level belongs to the opponents' refers to bidding five over five, not to bidding at the five level over 4♠..

[benlessard]

My style is to double pretty light facing a passed hand so 5H is just too rich for my blood.

I might be tempted to double but I think ill just pass.

[aguahombre]

and, by the way....it is "belongs to whom". Surprised no one jumped on that.

[OleBerg]

aguahombre, on Aug 14 2009, 05:02 AM, said:

and, by the way....it is "belongs to whom". Surprised no one jumped on that.

"Therefore never send to know for whom the bells tolls; it tolls for thee."

[oxyde]

Suprising that nobody highlighted partner still had his word to say.

I basically pass waiting for another double, action he should do whenever we are worth the 5th level.

[marcD]

Cascade, on Aug 13 2009, 07:28 PM, said:

5♥ down two.

RHO didn't really have a 4♠ bid - only four trumps but with a stiff heart. That meant that ♥ Qxx was offside for the second undertrick. Partner had ♠ xx yuk.

This was just a sanity check that 5♥ wasn't completely beyond the pale.

Seems 4♠ was perfect . It may be occasionnally too high but it is much better to mix it up rather than offer a roadmap to law addict opponents.

[helene_t]

Cascade, on Aug 14 2009, 02:34 AM, said:

On the actual hand - sorry I don't have the hand record - par was 4♥ minus one with both sides having 9 tricks available.

If both sides have 9 tricks, par is 3♠ at r/r.

[aguahombre]

marcD, on Aug 14 2009, 05:03 AM, said:

Cascade, on Aug 13 2009, 07:28 PM, said:

5♥ down two.

RHO didn't really have a 4♠ bid - only four trumps but with a stiff heart.  That meant that ♥ Qxx was offside for the second undertrick.  Partner had ♠ xx yuk.

This was just a sanity check that 5♥ wasn't completely beyond the pale.

Seems 4♠ was perfect . It may be occasionnally too high but it is much better to mix it up rather than offer a roadmap to law addict opponents.

Or to offer a roadmap to Law-addicted partner. On this hand there were 18 trumps and 18 tricks. LC is happy. 3S would have offered up a one IMP Loss to "par" because nobody would likely double 4H. 4S offers up minus 7 IMPs to par if doubled, 6 if not, and 5 if the other table defends 4H.

[Cascade]

helene_t, on Aug 14 2009, 10:13 PM, said:

Cascade, on Aug 14 2009, 02:34 AM, said:

On the actual hand - sorry I don't have the hand record - par was 4♥ minus one with both sides having 9 tricks available.

If both sides have 9 tricks, par is 3♠ at r/r.

You are correct.

[Cascade]

oxyde, on Aug 14 2009, 09:56 PM, said:

Suprising that nobody highlighted partner still had his word to say.

I basically pass waiting for another double, action he should do whenever we are worth the 5th level.

I don't think partner who has already had something to say and knows that we are a passed hand is going to play us for this much at this level if we PASS.