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Do you have an agreement

Poll: 1D (4C) X (P); 4NT (33 member(s) have cast votes)

1D (4C) X (P); 4NT

  1. Natural (19 votes [57.58%])

    Percentage of vote: 57.58%

  2. Blackwood (5 votes [15.15%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.15%

  3. Something Else (9 votes [27.27%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.27%

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#1 User is offline   Cascade 

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Posted 2009-August-13, 03:17

What is your agreement here?

Or what is the default?
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Posted 2009-August-13, 03:57

Possible meaning for 4NT in competition:

1st priority : takeout showing 2 places to play. Cannot logically aply here (would have applied if they overcalled 4M)

2nd priority : natural (only if we bid 3NT earlier - does not apply here)

So we are left with
3rd priority: Blackwood.
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Posted 2009-August-13, 04:15

definitely sounds like natural to me

Kx
QJx
AKQJxxx
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Posted 2009-August-13, 04:21

gwnn, on Aug 13 2009, 05:15 AM, said:

definitely sounds like natural to me

Kx
QJx
AKQJxxx
A

That hand is too strong - this looks like a slam force to me over a takeout double at the 4-level - but I agree about the hand type.

I never play Blackwood so since we don't have an agreed suit that removes one option, and two-suited takeout doesn't make sense here.
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Posted 2009-August-13, 04:22

right Arend didn't look at the hand after I posted it.
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Posted 2009-August-13, 04:24

Voted "Something else", without really knowing what. best guess would be a good 5♦ hand.
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Posted 2009-August-13, 05:19

to play - lots of diamonds and the AC

rather go for 10 tricks than 11

4NT also a slam try if partner has tops in the majors
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Posted 2009-August-13, 05:21

What is the agreement on the X? I assume "cards" or "negativ/ish" with defensive tricks potential.
If it was "cards" then 4NT could logically be an offensive hand with good long diamonds, a club stopper, and no 4-card majors. I dunno... I don't have agreement, but I do play X as *negative but with values suited for defense as well as offense*.
If it was "penalty", then 4NT can only be slam investigation, thus plain Blackwood since no suit agreement exists.
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Posted 2009-August-13, 06:21

If it's natural then all slam tries start with 5♣. One-suited, two-suited with hearts, two-suited with spades, and three-suited. I suppose that's playable but slam exploration could be made more accurate by assigning some funny meaning to 4NT. Then again, it is probably not something that is worth discussing and natural is easy to remember.
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Posted 2009-August-13, 20:50

RKC for D.

Sure 4Nt as natural make sense but having a RKC available take precedence.

In Meckstroth book they have a similar bidding sequencew where Rodwell bid 4Nt thinking its RKC and Meck pass thinking its natural.

So i guess this mean both meaning make sense and you do well to discuss it.
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Posted 2009-August-14, 12:09

Natural for me.
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