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#1 User is offline   zheddh 

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Posted 2009-August-09, 23:06

You are in 2nd seat, red vs red in a IMP match. The auction goes

(2♥) - p - (p) - X
(p) - ?

You hold

Scoring: IMP


Your action and justification?
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Posted 2009-August-09, 23:28

3♣. Assuming pard will make a takeout whenever he possibly can in the passout seat, we may not make 2NT and 2♥ will probably make unless pard has a good hand.
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Posted 2009-August-10, 00:11

In the context of Lebensohl, 3C showes 4 clubs, at least 8HCP,
so it is a pretty good description.

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Posted 2009-August-10, 00:17

Pass.
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Posted 2009-August-10, 00:21

Bid
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Posted 2009-August-10, 00:50

I pull also. More tempting to sit when we can't show our values anyway, but here we might actually get to 3N when it's right. Also I think 2♥ will just make too often.
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Posted 2009-August-10, 01:28

3C. Assume 2NT would be Leb. Partner did x in the pass out seat. 2H may well make.
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Posted 2009-August-10, 02:00

P_Marlowe, on Aug 10 2009, 01:11 AM, said:

In the context of Lebensohl, 3C showes 4 clubs, at least 8HCP,
so it is a pretty good description.

In the balancing position, it is typical to act with about 3 HCP less and balancer's partner therefore needs 3 HCP more. Accordingly we have 5 HCP. Though it is a pretty good 5 HCP, this is a 2NT bid playing Lebensohl and a 3♣ bid if not.
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Posted 2009-August-10, 03:22

Playing leb I'd bid 2N.
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Posted 2009-August-10, 04:18

nigel_k, on Aug 10 2009, 08:00 PM, said:

Though it is a pretty good 5 HCP

I will say. It is not often we have two aces for our 5 HCP.
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Posted 2009-August-10, 07:13

zheddh, on Aug 10 2009, 12:06 AM, said:

You are in 2nd seat, red vs red in a IMP match. The auction goes

(2♥) - p - (p) - X
(p) - ?

You hold

Scoring: IMP


Your action and justification?

The obvious choices are pass, 2NT, and 3C. Partner was in the passout seat so could have a wide range of values. Nevertheless he will need to be nearer the top end than the bottom for us to make game which makes 2NT too much of an overbid. Pass is fairly risky as well as partner rates to be nearer the middle and 2H= would not be good so I will bid the conservative 3C.
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Posted 2009-August-10, 09:10

I have passed 2H, but that does not make me a "passed hand". Since we do not take frivolous direct actions over weak two's our LEBEN 2NT when partner balances has a roof of about 11 HCP. A nice 8 comes nowhere near 3C.

A Leben 2NT is plenty.
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Posted 2009-August-10, 10:34

3♣
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Posted 2009-August-10, 12:50

2NT lebensohl, not good enough for 3♣ vs a balancing double.
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Posted 2009-August-10, 21:35

Thanks for the responses. We played in 3♣ going down 2 after a Q♦ lead.The full deal was


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Posted 2009-August-10, 23:33

In that case I pass.

Seriously, I bid because I hate it when declarer plays

KJ8xxx opp Q9 for 1 loser.

I can live with partner's square double.

btw, there is a good case against Lebensohl in 4th seat.
When it goes, 2♠ - no - no - ?

4th hand with a 17 count including ♠A-Q has a problem. Basically you choose between the underbid of 2NT and the overbid of 3NT.
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Posted 2009-August-11, 07:32

shevek, on Aug 11 2009, 12:33 AM, said:

4th hand with a 17 count including ♠A-Q has a problem. Basically you choose between the underbid of 2NT and the overbid of 3NT.

Does not compute.

I guess I would agree if you said 18 instead of 17 though.
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