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#1 User is online   jillybean 

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Posted 2009-August-06, 23:34

1♦ (1♥) ?


Playing negative free bids - what is your bid here?
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Posted 2009-August-06, 23:58

1NT...wtp?
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Posted 2009-August-07, 07:01

1NT seems clear unless in NFBland that is an overbid :D
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Posted 2009-August-07, 09:02

Does anyone bid 2♣?
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Posted 2009-August-07, 09:22

jillybean, on Aug 7 2009, 10:02 AM, said:

Does anyone bid 2♣?

1NT describes the complete shape, and showes the stopper,
2C would only tell about the club suit, so 1NT is the more
descriptive bid.

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Posted 2009-August-07, 10:08

1♦ (1♥) 2♣ (P)
2♥ (P) 2N (P)
3♦ (p) 3N
all pass


We missed 6N/6D, should it be obvious?
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Posted 2009-August-07, 12:30

jillybean, on Aug 7 2009, 12:08 PM, said:

1♦ (1♥) 2♣ (P)
2♥ (P) 2N (P)
3♦ (p) 3N
all pass


We missed 6N/6D, should it be obvious?

2♣ shows at least game invitational hand, and with north's club support, I think it is obvious.
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Posted 2009-August-07, 12:49

bb79, on Aug 7 2009, 11:30 AM, said:

2♣ shows at least game invitational hand, and with north's club support, I think it is obvious.

How would you have bid it?
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Posted 2009-August-07, 13:07

jillybean, on Aug 7 2009, 11:08 AM, said:

1♦ (1♥) 2♣ (P)
2♥ (P) 2N (P)
3♦ (p)  3N 
all pass


How about:

1♦ (1♥) 1NT (P)
3♣ (P) 4♣ (P)
5♦ (P) 6♣/♦/NT
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Posted 2009-August-07, 14:26

nick_s, on Aug 7 2009, 12:07 PM, said:

jillybean, on Aug 7 2009, 11:08 AM, said:

1♦ (1♥) 2♣ (P)
2♥ (P) 2N (P)
3♦ (p)   3N 
all pass


How about:

1♦ (1♥) 1NT (P)
3♣ (P) 4♣ (P)
5♦ (P) 6♣/♦/NT

3♣ ?
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Posted 2009-August-07, 14:36

jillybean, on Aug 7 2009, 03:26 PM, said:

nick_s, on Aug 7 2009, 12:07 PM, said:

How about:

1♦ (1♥) 1NT (P)
3♣ (P) 4♣ (P)
5♦ (P) 6♣/♦/NT

3♣ ?

I think N is too strong for 3NT, and there isn't a convenient 4-card suit to jump shift or reverse into. Sometimes you just have to lie a little :(

I suppose N could always cue-bid hearts in order to force. Maybe I'm resulting a little :)
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Posted 2009-August-07, 14:39

North needs to stop being a wimp. Just about any series of reasonable actions by south should lead to some sort of slam.
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Posted 2009-August-07, 16:57

jillybean, on Aug 7 2009, 11:08 AM, said:

1♦ (1♥) 2♣ (P)
2♥ (P) 2N (P)
3♦ (p)  3N 
all pass


We missed 6N/6D, should it be obvious?

Hi,

after a NFB 2C - your partner knowes about the club fit, usually
we are talking about a 6-3 fit.
His best bid would be 3H, a splinter, after which you should be
able to reach 6C.
But you may still end up in 5C.

After 1NT it becomes harder, even nearly impossible to reach 6?,
since your partner will need to take into account the fact that you will
be limited to 7-10 with wasted heart values, i.e. ending up in 3NT will
be normal.

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Posted 2009-August-07, 17:15

I'd definitely bid 2♣. I used to play lots of nfb and I think on normal 5 card suits and a tenuous stop they're superior to 1NT freebids. I played them as (7)8-11 though, not 6-10 as some people seem to play them (cascade being one of them) - for me 2♣ quite descriptive.
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Posted 2009-August-07, 17:40

jillybean, on Aug 7 2009, 03:26 PM, said:

nick_s, on Aug 7 2009, 12:07 PM, said:

jillybean, on Aug 7 2009, 11:08 AM, said:

1♦ (1♥) 2♣ (P)
2♥ (P) 2N (P)
3♦ (p)  3N 
all pass


How about:

1♦ (1♥) 1NT (P)
3♣ (P) 4♣ (P)
5♦ (P) 6♣/♦/NT

3♣ ?

I agree with Kathryn, in this auction you don't have to make up 3-card suits. North can bid 2♥ to force to game. With his actual hand, however, I think 3♥ is a much better bid - it shows game forcing values with heart shortness and 6+ diamonds (with a 4-card side suit he would bid that).
Over 3♥, South almost has a slam force (the minimal possible wastage in hearts and 10 nice points) - if he didn't have weak trumps. I think I would bid
1D (1H) 1N
3H 4H
4N 5C
6D

I don't understand the 2♣ bidders with a balanced hand, a bad 5-card suit, and just the right values for 1NT.
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Posted 2009-August-07, 18:55

1♦ (1♥) 2♣ (P)
2♥ (P) 2N (P)
3♦ (p) 3N
all pass



Thats what I needed 3♥, thanks Arend B)
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Posted 2009-August-07, 19:36

I would bid 2C. I would bid 2N over 2H, but would expect a 3C bid from partner over 2N (game forcing 3C). Over 3C the south hand can cue 3H, showing the control rather than something like QJx.
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Posted 2009-August-08, 19:01

It could also go:

1♦ (1♥) 2♣ (P)
4♣ (P) 4♥ (P)
5♣ (P) 6♣ (P)
(maybe)6NT PPP
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Posted 2009-August-08, 19:37

jillybean, on Aug 7 2009, 11:08 AM, said:

1♦ (1♥) 2♣ (P)
2♥ (P) 2N (P)
3♦ (p)  3N 
all pass


We missed 6N/6D, should it be obvious?

1) I thought 1nt easy over 1h not 2c
2) given the OP bidding over 2c I would rebid 3h...some huge hand.......
3) in any case after 2c i must bid past 3nt......
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