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PASS or PULL Weak NT 3rd seat unfavourable - YUK!!!
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Posted 2009-August-05, 06:37
Whatever your escape methods are you running?
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True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
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Posted 2009-August-05, 06:41
Yes. Too much risk that they'll cash a lot of clubs.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-August-05, 07:33
Run to diamonds.
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
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Posted 2009-August-05, 08:02
2♦, diamonds
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2009-August-05, 08:31
assuming a 15-17 NT I am not running. With a weak NT I will bid or get partner to bid 2♦
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Posted 2009-August-05, 11:10
Cascade, on Aug 5 2009, 12:37 PM, said:
Whatever your escape methods are you running?
Yes - this hand isn't good quite good enough to want to sit (even if I could - which I usually can't with most partners - we run or play ** - no half way house.
Nick
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Posted 2009-August-05, 11:27
pooltuna, on Aug 5 2009, 09:31 AM, said:
assuming a 15-17 NT I am not running. With a weak NT I will bid or get partner to bid 2♦
Ditto.
I am not worried about clubs. There are only 13 of them in the deck and we have at least 3, probably more.
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Posted 2009-August-05, 14:06
Given that Wayne teaches in the 'Acol Player's Club' I'm pretty sure partner has a 12-14 NT.
At MPs, Pass. 1NTx might make, otherwise I might get to balanced with a t/o double over 2C which could be penalty passed or get us to a higher scoring part score.
At IMPs, i'll go safe with 2D.
<edit: didn't see that the setting was MPs>
At MPs, Pass. 1NTx might make, otherwise I might get to balanced with a t/o double over 2C which could be penalty passed or get us to a higher scoring part score.
At IMPs, i'll go safe with 2D.
<edit: didn't see that the setting was MPs>
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Posted 2009-August-05, 14:24
Another hint is that is says "Weak NT" in the title.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-August-05, 14:29
First I ask the opponents what double means in their methods. If I am informed that the double is for penalty then 2♦.
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Posted 2009-August-05, 14:41
I'd pass.
I'm a bit nervous about clubs but I'm also worried about playing the wrong partscore since it could easily be our hand. 2♣ by LHO, pass, pass, double for takeout would be nice and is quite possible. If I could pull and show diamonds and hearts that might be an option though.
I'm a bit nervous about clubs but I'm also worried about playing the wrong partscore since it could easily be our hand. 2♣ by LHO, pass, pass, double for takeout would be nice and is quite possible. If I could pull and show diamonds and hearts that might be an option though.
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Posted 2009-August-06, 01:13
I'm running.
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Posted 2009-August-06, 01:18
Pull to 2♦
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Posted 2009-August-06, 11:21
There's another way to look at this problem. If we had Q53 A9854 8764 Q and it went
pass pass 1NT(12-14) pass
the whole world would transfer, because 2♥ is more likely to make than 1NT.
With the originally-posted hand, RHO's double has given us the chance to sign off in 2♦ . There is nothing about the auction to make us change our opinion that playing in the five-card suit is more likely to lead to a plus score than playing in 1NT.
The only reason I can see for sitting 1NTx is that you think +90 in 2♦ won't score well, so you feel obliged to try for +180 in 1NTx. However, at tables where they play a strong notrump, it will probably have gone
pass pass 1x 1NT
pass pass pass
If that goes one down, it's only worth +50, so +90 is likely to score well.
pass pass 1NT(12-14) pass
the whole world would transfer, because 2♥ is more likely to make than 1NT.
With the originally-posted hand, RHO's double has given us the chance to sign off in 2♦ . There is nothing about the auction to make us change our opinion that playing in the five-card suit is more likely to lead to a plus score than playing in 1NT.
The only reason I can see for sitting 1NTx is that you think +90 in 2♦ won't score well, so you feel obliged to try for +180 in 1NTx. However, at tables where they play a strong notrump, it will probably have gone
pass pass 1x 1NT
pass pass pass
If that goes one down, it's only worth +50, so +90 is likely to score well.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-August-06, 11:35
Wow I'd never sit. Anyone who does has never played a weak NT before.
Usually in my methods I can show a 2 places to play or just 1. It's not totally clear to me what would be best here, but anything is better than sitting.
ATT I'd show only diamonds, but I'm leaving open a sliver of room for someone to tell me that a 2-suited bid is better.
Usually in my methods I can show a 2 places to play or just 1. It's not totally clear to me what would be best here, but anything is better than sitting.
ATT I'd show only diamonds, but I'm leaving open a sliver of room for someone to tell me that a 2-suited bid is better.
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Posted 2009-August-06, 11:41
If I have a way for partner to choose between diamonds and hearts, why wouldn't we do that?
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Posted 2009-August-06, 12:08
Phil, on Aug 6 2009, 12:41 PM, said:
If I have a way for partner to choose between diamonds and hearts, why wouldn't we do that?
Oh, I dunno. Maybe it's because when partner is 3♥-2♦, they will always choose 2H and we are probably better off playing in 2♦. Likewise when he is 3-3 in the reds, he will choose 2H and we should still (probably) be in 2D.
It seems to me that offering a choice of red suits only gains when partner has 4 hearts and fewer than 3 diamonds. This target is too small for me, especially after 1N has already been doubled for penalties. I want to escape to the fit that is least likely to be doubled, and that is going to be diamonds the majority of the time. This doesn't even factor in that by concealing the heart suit the opponents may balance in 2H.
No?
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Posted 2009-August-06, 13:06
Phil, on Aug 6 2009, 07:41 PM, said:
If I have a way for partner to choose between diamonds and hearts, why wouldn't we do that?
only if I can show that I am 4-5 specifically, I think
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2009-August-06, 13:52
gnasher, on Aug 6 2009, 12:21 PM, said:
There's another way to look at this problem. If we had Q53 A9854 8764 Q and it went
pass pass 1NT(12-14) pass
the whole world would transfer, because 2♥ is more likely to make than 1NT.
pass pass 1NT(12-14) pass
the whole world would transfer, because 2♥ is more likely to make than 1NT.
The whole world would transfer because 1NT doesn't score 180 on that auction.
To the people who are worried about 2-3 in the red suits, that is just one holding. Showing the red suits without specifying length will gain on many others. It's a game of percentages.
Finally, RHO has to guess too. He could have good clubs but will often just have a collection of high cards. Given we have at least half the HCP plus the advantage of declaring we are a favourite to make. Plus there is no guarantee of avoiding -200 if we pull. Plus if we pass and they pull to 2♣ we are now much better placed than if we tried to show suits without their help.
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