[karlson]

Against good opponents at imps

♠KQx ♥xxx ♦Axx ♣Kxxx white/red

1♥-p-4♦-x-4♥-?

4♦ was a standard splinter. Your agreement is that double is save suggesting.

[WesleyC]

When you say "The double of 4D is save suggesting" is it take-out of hearts or suggesting a large number of diamonds?

[nigel_k]

Pass.

The term 'save suggesting' doesn't necessarily suggest to me a hand where they will make and/or where the save will be cheap. Partner could have the right hand but he could also have plenty of other hands.

[gwnn]

Partner can suggest saving all he wants, I am still 4x3 with honors everywhere.

[effervesce]

Pass.

[655321]

Presumably 'save suggesting' means suggesting a save in diamonds.
In that case I think bidding 5♦ is very clear, in fact if you don't bid 5♦ on this hand you are better off changing your agreement about the double.

[benlessard]

5D for -3 or -2 if we can score the K of clubs. Switch the minors honnor and i would be afraid of a club lead and club ruff But like it is 4H is never going down.

[andy_h]

I would have X'd 1♥ the first time round.
Lacking that I'm still inclined to save so 5♦.

[pooltuna]

you only have 3 tricks on defense and a license to steal. Be a thief

[Phil]

5♦. If we are beating 4♥ (dubious) we are sometimes making 5♦!

[karlson]

Yes, I meant save-suggesting in ♦ (i.e. long diamonds, pretty much undiscussed other than that)

[gnasher]

Pass. Opposite xxx x AQJxxx xxx we might be going for 500 but it might also be 800. Give partner a black-suit jack or queen and the chances of beating 4♥ increase, but 5♦ is still going for 300 or 500.

We don't have the extra chance that they'll bid 5♥ and go down - opener probably knows enough about responder's hand to make the right decision.

[billw55]

Seems like too much defense here for 5♦. If teammates are -100 they won't be happy to find us -300 or -500. But if teammates are +620, -620 is break even. It seems like 5♦ would be laying about 2:1 that 4♥ is making; with this hand, I'm not that confident.

[xcurt]

gnasher, on Aug 6 2009, 11:02 AM, said:

Pass. Opposite xxx x AQJxxx xxx we might be going for 500 but it might also be 800. Give partner a black-suit jack or queen and the chances of beating 4♥ increase, but 5♦ is still going for 300 or 500.

We don't have the extra chance that they'll bid 5♥ and go down - opener probably knows enough about responder's hand to make the right decision.

This pack has two aces of diamonds, but facing KQJxxx and out it seems though layouts that give us a shot at -300 would also give us a shot at beating their game. And now I know to underlead at trick 1 to get a black suit switch from partner's side.

I hate the OP agreement though. Doubling a splinter should ask for the higher (or lower if you prefer) side suit lead by agreement.

[benlessard]

IMO suggesting a save at the 5 level show at least a 6-4 and most likely a 7 card. Its seems better to wait to have a 7 carder and hope to hit 3 card support than to have a 6 carder and hope to hit trump support (3/4) and ruffing power.

[karlson]

I passed hoping to beat 4♥. Seems like the votes are split with a slight edge to bidding, but everyone is guessing, as well they might be.

Partner had ♠xxxxx ♥-- ♦KT9xxx ♣Ax

Diamonds were 0-4 and clubs 6-1, so 4♥ was untouchable and 5♦ was -300 at worst.

[gwnn]

white vs red no? maybe 4♥ is not too venturous by pard.

[Hanoi5]

I definitely want to defend in this hand. Pass.

Edit:
So their hands were:

Ax xxx
xxxxx AKQxx
--- QJxx
QJTxxx x

They can make 5, can't they? It's hard to believe that such a balanced hand will allow you to save successfully.

[MFA]

karlson, on Aug 6 2009, 08:55 PM, said:

I passed hoping to beat 4♥. Seems like the votes are split with a slight edge to bidding, but everyone is guessing, as well they might be.

Partner had ♠xxxxx ♥-- ♦KT9xxx ♣Ax

Diamonds were 0-4 and clubs 6-1, so 4♥ was untouchable and 5♦ was -300 at worst.

X then pass is way too wimpish with this 6-5.

[dake50]

I'm guessing 4H on 70% 5D cheap 70% So 70% x 70% = 49% for sac.

Am I about right?