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7HCP What is your strategy?

#1 User is offline   Cascade 

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Posted 2009-August-05, 06:21

Scoring: MP

(1♣) 1♦ (PASS) ?


Do you bid your hearts or raise diamonds?

If you raise diamonds - how high?

If not what is your plan over various continuations - especially if the opponents start bidding spades?
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Posted 2009-August-05, 06:30

Whatever you do on this hand maybe it makes sense to agree to fit jumps after board.
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Posted 2009-August-05, 06:32

gwnn, on Aug 6 2009, 12:30 AM, said:

Whatever you do on this hand maybe it makes sense to agree to fit jumps after board.

What does a fit jump show for you?

Besides a fit and a second suit - range? distribution?
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Posted 2009-August-05, 06:34

a good 5 card major and 4 card support with most cards in the two suits and at least single raise values. Of course this is not the textbook hand for it but it definitely comes closest.
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Posted 2009-August-05, 06:35

5♦. If they bid spades over that, I'll feel smug.

A fit jump would show more defence, and especially more high cards in hearts. Something like xx AQJxx Kxxx xx.
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Posted 2009-August-05, 06:57

6-5 is rare enough to be an exception for fit jump. The fear is partner doubles above 5D - not likely winning as he expects real defense tricks. And the short quacks fall for them. Don't miss H-KQx/Kxx/ fit is paramount.
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Posted 2009-August-05, 07:22

I blast 5♦. The hearts aren't good enough for a fit-jump.
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Posted 2009-August-05, 07:54

I'm gonna try to put hearts into the picture. I might get lucky and hear LHO X instead of mentioning spades.

I thought fit-jumps were meant to be used with good suits. I think I like 5♦ right away a bit more than showing a fit jump with these horrible hearts.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2009-August-05, 07:54

1H, no need to go crazy yet.
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Posted 2009-August-05, 08:23

If partner has heart fit, they have spades (or SO MANY clubs), we won't be allowed to play in hearts almost for sure.

However any diamond raise is incredibly unilateral, I would just bid 1♥.
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Posted 2009-August-05, 08:24

Cascade, on Aug 5 2009, 07:21 AM, said:

Scoring: MP

(1♣) 1♦ (PASS) ?


Do you bid your hearts or raise diamonds?

If you raise diamonds - how high?

If not what is your plan over various continuations - especially if the opponents start bidding spades?

Bid ♥ this will help partner down the road when you start supporting♦
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Posted 2009-August-05, 08:29

Seems like a good moment for 1♠.
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Posted 2009-August-05, 08:39

dicklont, on Aug 5 2009, 09:29 AM, said:

Seems like a good moment for 1♠.

sounds like the start of a wild auction :D
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Posted 2009-August-05, 10:30

It may be a bit presumptous to think that opponents might compete in Spades at a high level; the responder did not make a negative double or bid spades. The opener could be sitting with 6/5 C/S hand (little will stop him/her). Who knows, partner might be sitting with some prime values in spades; all he/she did was bid 1D!

To some extent, the strategy may depend upon our partnership bidding agreements when in competition. For example, what is 1C-1D-P-1H-2D(1S or X)-2H?

For now, I bid 1H, and see how things develop.

With FSJ, partner may place HCPs in Hs, and could it not create problems in later bidding?
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Posted 2009-August-05, 12:40

4D / 3D second choice

The spades are 4441 or opener is 56 in the black (IMO its quite likely here ).

The chance of playing 4H making R vs W are close to 0%

However 5D X might be too costly. So 4D seems like a nice preempt. Partner will only bid 5D with short H.

Bidding 1H and raising D to a high level will force partner to double 4S especially if hes on lead with a stiff heart.

I have no problems if he double 4S as long as he knows hes got 4 tricks on it own.
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Posted 2009-August-05, 12:58

dicklont, on Aug 5 2009, 09:29 AM, said:

Seems like a good moment for 1♠.

Not for me.

What are you going to do after partner raises spades or cue-bids for slam purposes? Or you think that partner woun't be interested in ♠?

I doun't think you will get to 5♦ unless you pass rkcb response of 5♦.
You might pass 4♦ cue-bid, but then the psyche will be revealed, and opps can still get to their ♠.

5♦ is simple and effective.
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Posted 2009-August-05, 14:19

Since your rho passed, either lho has a big hand or partner is sitting behind lho with a more than decent 1 level overcall. In either case, game for the either side doesn't look too likely and a plus or the smallest possible minus should give a decent score at matchpoints. I personally would try a weak jump shift to 2 Hearts. This should have a reasonable play if passed out since our side has a side fit in Diamonds. If doubled we can run out to 3 Diamonds and if partner has the big hand and raises Hearts absent more competition we may have a double fit game.
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Posted 2009-August-05, 14:41

1h nonforcing.
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Posted 2009-August-05, 15:01

benlessard, on Aug 6 2009, 06:40 AM, said:

The spades are 4441 or opener is 56 in the black (IMO its quite likely here ).

Isn't it possible and perhaps more likely that your RHO has 5+ spades and a weak hand?
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Posted 2009-August-06, 00:39

Is anyone else as worried as me that partner might only have 4 diamonds? :D

At the table I'd start slow with 1H.
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