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#1 User is offline   Phil 

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Posted 2009-August-04, 22:02

Very busy the last few days but heres one from Monday night. Imps, v/nv. You play 6 after LHO preempts your 2/1 with 3:

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LHO leads the Q. Plan the play.
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Posted 2009-August-05, 01:37

Looks like LHO has something like 2731 or 3721.

The best I've come up with is win the Ac, AKs and a diamond to the T.
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Posted 2009-August-05, 02:28

LHO probably has seven hearts, even at this vulnerability. I assume the club is a singleton. That suggests that RHO has K.

Suppose that I play LHO for 3721 and try to set up the long spade. I could cross to a spade and play a diamond to the 10, but now I don't have the entries to set up the spades. Instead, playing LHO for Jx would work: A, spade ruff, A, diamond, and eventually set up the spades.

Another line, which works against 2731 with J, is to draw trumps without letting RHO in, and come down to:
with the lead in dummy. East can't keep three clubs and two spades.
So: cross to a spade; diamond to the 10; win the spade or trump return; draw trumps, dropping RHO's king; cash K, a fourth trump and A to reach the above ending. I'd play that line, because if I'm going to play LHO for J it's more likely to work when he's 2731 than when he's 3721, and also because a trump squeeze is more fun than suit-establishment.
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Posted 2009-August-05, 05:24

I like Wesley's approach
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Posted 2009-August-05, 06:06

I can't see how cashing a second spade is supposed to gain. If LHO has 2731 with Hxx, he'll return a second diamond, and you're no better or worse off than if you'd left the spades alone. If LHO has 3721 with J9, he'll return a spade, and you can't both pick up trumps and set up the spades.

The second spade does lose if LHO happens to have x Q10xxxxx J9xx Q or xx Q10xxxx J9xx Q.
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Posted 2009-August-05, 07:39

Interesting hand, don't know what is right.

I am not convinced that West would avoid leading his singleton when he has Kx of trumps, it is not as though he has any really attractive leads.

I quite like Ace and another trump, which works when LHO has Hx in trumps. For example, RHO wins the K from Kxx, and can return a 3rd round of trumps to prevent a club ruff, but that allows a double squeeze - the spades will make an extra trick without needing to be ruffed out.

It might even be better (if playing Ace and another trump), to play A, ruff first, but somehow leaving the spades alone looks appealing.
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Posted 2009-August-05, 08:13

gnasher, on Aug 5 2009, 12:06 PM, said:

I can't see how cashing a second spade is supposed to gain. If LHO has 2731 with Hxx, he'll return a second diamond, and you're no better or worse off than if you'd left the spades alone. If LHO has 3721 with J9, he'll return a spade, and you can't both pick up trumps and set up the spades.

The second spade does lose if LHO happens to have x Q10xxxxx J9xx Q or xx Q10xxxx J9xx Q.

True but I like the psicological impression for returning a trump after winning J, he might think that a heart is better.
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Posted 2009-August-05, 08:34

where is the auction? You need to provide it since it is important to know what information you gave the opponents and when the 3 preempt occurred altho I assume if was the opening call.
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Posted 2009-August-05, 08:35

pooltuna, on Aug 5 2009, 02:34 PM, said:

where is the auction? You need to provide it since it is important to know what information you gave the opponents and when the 3 preempt occurred altho I assume if was the opening call.

1-(p)-2-(3)

That's what I deduced from the opening post.
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Posted 2009-August-05, 08:42

Now I think of it, we are all assuming Q to be singleton, but is it true?

if LHO had Qx, QJ, Qxx or maybe xxx he might feel desperate of dummy's spades and lead agressively from Qx.
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Posted 2009-August-05, 09:05

Fluffy, on Aug 5 2009, 03:13 PM, said:

True but I like the psicological impression for returning a trump after winning J, he might think that a heart is better.

But if we bring the trumps in for one loser we're making regardless of what he returns.
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Posted 2009-August-05, 10:10

pooltuna, on Aug 5 2009, 09:34 AM, said:

where is the auction? You need to provide it since it is important to know what information you gave the opponents and when the 3 preempt occurred altho I assume if was the opening call.

1s - p - 2d - (3h)
3N - p - 4c - p
4d - p - 4n - p
5s - p - 6d - ap
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Posted 2009-August-05, 11:55

I can understand your initial reluctance to share that auction with us.
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Posted 2009-August-05, 16:15

I toyed with a few lines, but settled on playing LHO for 2=1 in the minors. I played to the A, and a to the 10, hoping that RHO wouldn't split, although I think Gnasher's trump squeeze works if RHO does split and plays back a 3rd trump.

LHO was 3=7=2=1 with Kx, so my line would have worked (win return, one trump, J, to hand, ruff club, etc..)

LHO actually returned a heart, so it solved my problems.
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