[barryallen]

ONEferBRID, on Jul 31 2009, 08:26 PM, said:

zheddh.... May we see Opener's hand now ?

barryallen .... I don't understand your question .

The question I was posing was who should be in charge of this slam investigation? Because I find it difficult to visualise being able to fully describe this hand sufficiently to partner? So the question of hiding the ♠ suit then has less significance?

That said, I am in favour of your position but do not believe it is totally clear cut. The one thing I strongly disagree with is what openers hand actually was, this is totally irrelevant.

[rd6789]

How about starting with a splinter? After all you have your fit and describign 5-5 as responder AND support is very tricky if you go round the houses.

I know splinters usually show 4 card support but the extra values compensate.

On the first hand posted if p has A♦ and AQ♥ we can get to 7

[pooltuna]

rd6789, on Aug 4 2009, 09:02 AM, said:

How about starting with a splinter? After all you have your fit and describign 5-5 as responder AND support is very tricky if you go round the houses.

I know splinters usually show 4 card support but the extra values compensate.

On the first hand posted if p has A♦ and AQ♥ we can get to 7

So what are you going to do after partner bids 4♥?

[aguahombre]

A splinter eliminates any partnership auction here. So, Why bother to show the club shortness when you have decided to take over anyway? The only answer I can think of is that you were setting up Exclusion, and you don't know enough yet to do that --or, maybe you do ---hmm. Nah, you would like to know whether partner has extra heart length.

[rd6789]

pooltuna, on Aug 4 2009, 10:14 AM, said:

So what are you going to do after partner bids 4♥?

I am worth 4♠ - by telling partner I am short in clubs he will downgrade say AKJ in that suit and with good hearts he may bid six - after all he only needs AQ to 6 and JD and AQJT to 5 and JD is good too!

I have learnt he doesn't have A♦ so I have lost interest in the grand - but if he doesnt have any points on ♠ or ♦ he could well have good ♥

[rd6789]

aguahombre, on Aug 4 2009, 10:36 AM, said:

Nah, you would like to know whether partner has extra heart length.

No, what I want to know is does he have A♦ - if he bids 4♦ and that shows the Ace I will bid 5NT - give partner xx/AQxxx/Axx/xxx and 7 is very good - be nice if he had the J♥ too

[aguahombre]

4D is a mandatory cue over a splinter? My splinters do not show extras unless i take over afterward, but I guess it works on this hand.

[rd6789]

aguahombre, on Aug 4 2009, 12:35 PM, said:

4D is a mandatory cue over a splinter?

I would expect partner to cue bid 4♦ if he held say xx/AQxxxx/AJ/xxx since the hands seem to fit so well. With say xx/Qxxxx/AJx/KQJ he might decide the club values are so poor and the trumps too that he will for now deny the A♦

btw if partner bids 4♥ over my splinter I think the bid now is 5♥ - bid slam with good trumps