[cRi cRi]

Scoring: IMP

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Partner deal and it goes :
1♦ 1♥
2♠ 3♥
3♠ ...

What do you bid ?

2♠ showed at least 5-4 with a game forcing hand.
3♠ , well, we had no agrement, does it show 5♠ or can it be with 4252 or 2153 with no ♣ stoper ? You tell me .

[Phil]

Too deep for me if 3♠ shows AKQx x AKQxx, xxx. Pretty hard to construct these hands and they might raise to 4♥ anyway. Kokish might disagree (or K-Rex for that matter).

5-6 makes more sense. How else can you show this? Do I really have to bid spades a third time?

[cRi cRi]

ok ... so what do you bid ? Is 4♠ enough?

[Phil]

cRi cRi, on Jul 29 2009, 10:44 AM, said:

ok ... so what do you bid ? Is 4♠ enough?

No I would bid 4♦. Partner will get tapped to shreds in 4♠ with club leads.

[cRi cRi]

4♦ being stronger than 5♦ here ? is that clear ? Or could it show a difference between a real fit and a semi one.

[pooltuna]

4♠ Partner ought to be 5x6x with good pointy suit cards. He might be able to ruff the 3rd♦ with the A♠ and draw trump with KQJT

[pooltuna]

Phil, on Jul 29 2009, 10:43 AM, said:

Too deep for me if 3♠ shows AKQx x AKQxx, xxx. Pretty hard to construct these hands and they might raise to 4♥ anyway. Kokish might disagree (or K-Rex for that matter).

5-6 makes more sense. How else can you show this? Do I really have to bid spades a third time?

Well since you hold the ♠A hard for him to hold that hand at worst I would expect KQJxx - AKJxxx xx and it would be a misbid when he had a chance to bid 1♠. In retrospect a 5♠ call [I originally thought 4♠ would be enough], asking for 2nd round club control, may be appropriate for this auction

[Phil]

pooltuna, on Jul 29 2009, 11:24 AM, said:

Phil, on Jul 29 2009, 10:43 AM, said:

Too deep for me if 3♠ shows AKQx x AKQxx, xxx. Pretty hard to construct these hands and they might raise to 4♥ anyway. Kokish might disagree (or K-Rex for that matter).

5-6 makes more sense. How else can you show this? Do I really have to bid spades a third time?

Well since you hold the ♠A hard for him to hold that hand at worst I would expect KQJxx - AKJxxx xx and it would be a misbid when he had a chance to bid 1♠. In retrospect a 5♠ call [I originally thought 4♠ would be enough], asking for 2nd round club control, may be appropriate for this auction

Heh good point.

Make the hand KQJx, x, AKQxx, Axx then (not wanting to wrong side 3N).

I hope you agree its 5-6 as well.

What misbid are you referring to? The failure to open 1♠ with a strong 5-6?

[pooltuna]

Phil, on Jul 29 2009, 11:27 AM, said:

pooltuna, on Jul 29 2009, 11:24 AM, said:

Phil, on Jul 29 2009, 10:43 AM, said:

Too deep for me if 3♠ shows AKQx x AKQxx, xxx. Pretty hard to construct these hands and they might raise to 4♥ anyway. Kokish might disagree (or K-Rex for that matter).

5-6 makes more sense. How else can you show this? Do I really have to bid spades a third time?

Well since you hold the ♠A hard for him to hold that hand at worst I would expect KQJxx - AKJxxx xx and it would be a misbid when he had a chance to bid 1♠. In retrospect a 5♠ call [I originally thought 4♠ would be enough], asking for 2nd round club control, may be appropriate for this auction

Heh good point.

Make the hand KQJx, x, AKQxx, Axx then (not wanting to wrong side 3N).

I hope you agree its 5-6 as well.

What misbid are you referring to? The failure to open 1♠ with a strong 5-6?

to rebid 1♠ over partner's 1♥

[Phil]

pooltuna, on Jul 29 2009, 11:33 AM, said:

to rebid 1♠ over partner's 1♥

So we can play 1♠ when pard has a 2 or 3 loser hand?

[pooltuna]

Phil, on Jul 29 2009, 11:37 AM, said:

pooltuna, on Jul 29 2009, 11:33 AM, said:

to rebid 1♠ over partner's 1♥

So we can play 1♠ when pard has a 2 or 3 loser hand?

I'm sorry I missed where I said the bidding was idiot proof

[OleBerg]

Phil, on Jul 29 2009, 06:37 PM, said:

pooltuna, on Jul 29 2009, 11:33 AM, said:

to rebid 1♠ over partner's 1♥

So we can play 1♠ when pard has a 2 or 3 loser hand?

Well, it's not uncommon, at A/E level, to play 1♦ - 1♥, 1♠ as a one-round force.

[benlessard]

Either i have the agreement that partner will always bid 2Nt if hes got something in clubs (even with super long H) or 3S show half a club stopper.

Anyway 4D seems clear cut for now. If partner doesnt have a club control we will play 5D othewise 6D or 7D.

[P_Marlowe]

cRi cRi, on Jul 29 2009, 10:44 AM, said:

ok ... so what do you bid ? Is 4♠ enough?

No.

You have at least 3 sure tricks for p, vs. a game force I am
driving to slam.
And 4S is nonforcing, after all I only showed a 6th heart with
3H, and I could still hold only 6HCP.

What to bid: No idea.

But maybe it would have been a better idea, if you would
have bid 3C instead 3H, this would have clarified partners
shape, and you would still have heard, if he happens to hold
3 hearts.
Now I would say, you have to bid 4D, which is forcing, showing
real slam interest.

Maybe partners next bid will enlighten me, happens not often,
but why not this time.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Fluffy]

4♦ no second option this time, we need a suit to play slam, and diamonds is at least as good as hearts.