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You are South, sitting over the opener. Would you act?
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Posted 2009-July-20, 11:00
You are South, sitting over the opener. Would you act?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-July-20, 11:05
eww no 
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Posted 2009-July-20, 11:09
Out of respect for the skills of gnasher I won't lol this, other than the un-subtle suggestion I just made.
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Posted 2009-July-20, 11:44
If this is from the deal that I think it is, the hand in question held ♥Qxx.
Edit: It might also be worth mentioning that the partnership in question uses a 2NT response to double here as "two places to play".
Edit: It might also be worth mentioning that the partnership in question uses a 2NT response to double here as "two places to play".
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Posted 2009-July-20, 12:08
I'd need to be on drugs to consider bidding here...
The opps are in an unlimited auction. We have no known or even inferred fit. We have some defence...most of our cards are in their suits.
I know that this is a bidder's game, and maybe we are being robbed blind here. But there have to be limits to our willingness to risk -2000 against a game.
The opps are in an unlimited auction. We have no known or even inferred fit. We have some defence...most of our cards are in their suits.
I know that this is a bidder's game, and maybe we are being robbed blind here. But there have to be limits to our willingness to risk -2000 against a game.
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Posted 2009-July-20, 12:20
I pass, I don't like our chances of making much of anything.
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Posted 2009-July-20, 12:22
mikeh, on Jul 20 2009, 01:08 PM, said:
I know that this is a bidder's game, and maybe we are being robbed blind here. But there have to be limits to our willingness to risk -2000 against a game.
And I thought I was pessimistic.
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Posted 2009-July-20, 12:45
Blx. LouisG is quite right. The hand was actually AQ,Qxx,Qxxx,KJxx. Does that make a difference?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-July-20, 12:47
gnasher, on Jul 20 2009, 01:45 PM, said:
Blx. LouisG is quite right. The hand was actually AQ,Qxx,Qxxx,KJxx. Does that make a difference?
Even more offensive power!
No it doesn't make a difference to me.
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Posted 2009-July-20, 12:57
gnasher, on Jul 20 2009, 01:45 PM, said:
Blx. LouisG is quite right. The hand was actually AQ,Qxx,Qxxx,KJxx. Does that make a difference?
Sure it makes doubling a little less bad. But I still think it's bad.
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Posted 2009-July-20, 13:07
Ok, now it's 1700 against their partial... no, still not very attractive 
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Posted 2009-July-20, 13:10
The HQ definitely increases our game potential, but that potential still seems quite low. I would say that doubling is trying to find a double partial swing, which is fine, but with such defensive values and 4 of the suit they opened, I think even that is not very likely. Given the obvious risk of coming in (going for a number), or the less obvious risk (turning a plus on defense into a minus), I can't see bidding.
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Posted 2009-July-20, 13:14
As long as I'm helping to set the record straight here, it might also be relevant that the 1♦ opening was in 3rd seat. Not sure if that makes bidding more attractive (since both opps are at least somewhat limited), but it seems worth mentioning.
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Posted 2009-July-20, 13:18
I have a perfect pre-balancing bid for this type of hand. In direct seat, right after a bid that might be the last bid by the opponents, I pass with hands like this. That shows interest in partner making an intelligent call if he has one. It is sort of like an optional/cooperative double, blended with a "forcing pass." It is a "optional/cooperative pass."
Or, an "O.C.P."
Or, an "O.C.P."
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Posted 2009-July-20, 13:38
gnasher, on Jul 20 2009, 05:00 PM, said:
You are South, sitting over the opener. Would you act?
Yes. I'd act bored.
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Posted 2009-July-20, 14:00
louisg, on Jul 20 2009, 02:14 PM, said:
As long as I'm helping to set the record straight here, it might also be relevant that the 1♦ opening was in 3rd seat. Not sure if that makes bidding more attractive (since both opps are at least somewhat limited), but it seems worth mentioning.
It does make a difference... the opps are no longer unlimited, as appeared from the OP conditions of contest. Now, there is really no risk of going for a huge number, but 800 is still possible, and game virtually impossible our way, given that partner is also a passed hand.
I would still pass, and think it entirely normal. But the change in dealer identity makes me see a bid as fractionally better than the god-awful call I had earlier seen it as being.
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Posted 2009-July-20, 15:12
Easy pass for me. Seen the corrections (♥Q and dealer).
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Posted 2009-July-20, 15:50
louisg, on Jul 20 2009, 12:44 PM, said:
If this is from the deal that I think it is, the hand in question held ♥Qxx.
Edit: It might also be worth mentioning that the partnership in question uses a 2NT response to double here as "two places to play".
Edit: It might also be worth mentioning that the partnership in question uses a 2NT response to double here as "two places to play".
Just out of curiosity.
Are the two places to play "The Twilight Zone" and a mental institution?
Really, this is a clear pass. If something else would have worked, that is the way it goes.
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Posted 2009-July-20, 16:04
My pass suggests one place to play. Even devout LAW advocates might picture some subtractors here.
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Posted 2009-July-20, 21:29
Even with the 14count, I can't find a good reason to act - it has too many downsides. I'm a passer too.
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