[TylerE]

Scoring: MP

Partner opens 1♦, precision-style (1+ ♦,11-15, 13-15 if balanced)

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[jdonn]

Actually I like 1♥. We have the vul, and it's precision so the opponents are more likely to have game and partner is less likely to punish me. If you don't want to try that and you would rather bid 1♠ then great, but I would never pass, that's for sure. Passing is a style that is simply not effective, no matter what the resident old fogies will say.

[655321]

1♠, not enough imagination for 1♥.

[Jlall]

Can't tell if jdonn is being serious. Anyways 1S obv.

[dake50]

Does 2D promise more than D-Qxx? Won't partner bid on with 0-2xD? Then 2S.

[andy_h]

1♠

[Cascade]

jdonn, on Jul 20 2009, 04:14 PM, said:

Actually I like 1♥. We have the vul, and it's precision so the opponents are more likely to have game and partner is less likely to punish me. If you don't want to try that and you would rather bid 1♠ then great, but I would never pass, that's for sure. Passing is a style that is simply not effective, no matter what the resident old fogies will say.

Psyches can be particularly effective when playing limited openings.

I wonder though are they therefore protected by system?

[the hog]

Pass is obvious. This hand is a pile of crap.

[zasanya]

My Partner and I play Viking Precision Relays wherein most of the GF Hands start with artificial 1♥.So 1♠ will be the bid for us.
However playing with other precision players pass will be safer.But then does one win by bidding safely?

[the hog]

zasanya, on Jul 20 2009, 03:06 PM, said:

My Partner and I play Viking Precision Relays wherein most of the GF Hands start with artificial 1♥.So 1♠ will be the bid for us.
However playing with other precision players pass will be safer.But then does one win by bidding safely?

One wins by not going for a number when partner thinks you actually have your bid.

[mich-b]

1♠ - I think Passing is a mistake.

[OleBerg]

The_Hog, on Jul 20 2009, 10:51 AM, said:

zasanya, on Jul 20 2009, 03:06 PM, said:

My Partner and I play Viking Precision Relays wherein most of the GF Hands start with artificial 1♥.So 1♠ will be the bid for us.
However playing with other precision players pass will be safer.But then does one win by bidding safely?

One wins by not going for a number when partner thinks you actually have your bid.

Well, you just have to educate your partner then.

[Phil]

1♠ for me.

1♥ is taking a good idea too far.

[TimG]

In recent bidding practice using a Polish Club, I've noticed that responding light tends to work OK when responder holds 3 diamonds, but that responder shouldn't try this with a similar collection of high cards and something like 5=3=1=4 shape. Too often, opener will be making a jump rebid which is much more comfortably handled when responder has some length in diamonds.

[jdonn]

jdonn, on Jul 19 2009, 11:14 PM, said:

Passing is a style that is simply not effective, no matter what the resident old fogies will say.

The_Hog, on Jul 20 2009, 02:27 AM, said:

Pass is obvious. This hand is a pile of crap.

I mostly just said that yesterday because I knew I would be able to point this out today.

Phil, on Jul 20 2009, 09:20 AM, said:

1♠ for me.

1♥ is taking a good idea too far.

Too far in what direction? This hand is too ____ for 1♥ in your opinion? (please fill in the blank)

[Apollo81]

jdonn, on Jul 20 2009, 10:50 AM, said:

Too far in what direction? This hand is too ____ for 1♥ in your opinion? (please fill in the blank)

"Spadey"

[Apollo81]

Passing is much less safe in precision than responding 1♥. Unless your partner raises on 3 a lot, the worst that will usually happen if you respond 1♥ is that you play a 4-3 fit. If you pass, you could play a 3-2 fit, and you have too many high cards/spots for this to result in a good score.

Anyway I'd respond 1♠ since I have 5 and it preempts their heart bid. I don't see any reason to get cute on this hand.

[jdonn]

Apollo81, on Jul 20 2009, 10:09 AM, said:

jdonn, on Jul 20 2009, 10:50 AM, said:

Too far in what direction? This hand is too ____ for 1♥ in your opinion? (please fill in the blank)

"Spadey"

Good answer.

Apollo81, on Jul 20 2009, 10:13 AM, said:

Passing is much less safe in precision than responding 1♥.  Unless your partner raises on 3 a lot, the worst that will usually happen if you respond 1♥ is that you play a 4-3 fit.

I don't even think partner raising on 3 creates much of a risk. They are very unlikely to find a balancing double since they have too many hearts, and if RHO were to make a penalty pass of one he would probably have had a 1♥ overcall to begin with. You will just go for 150 peacefully if partner raises on 3.

Well ok, that is a fair risk. Stupid matchpoints.

[awm]

I'm not convinced that opponents have game on this hand. Partner's range is 11-15 or something right? And the fact that I have garbage and RHO didn't bid increases slightly the chance that partner is near the top of that range.

A problem with responding 1♥ that no one seems to have noticed is the auction 1♦-1♥-1NT. I don't expect to do all that well in 1NT here, and the opponents might even manage to double it (since double of 1NT is penalty/card showing and does not require holding "the short hearts"). And I don't think I can easily run to 2♠ (surely a better partial, and might even be a nine card fit if partner is of the "bypass spades to rebid notrump" persuasion).

So 1♠ for me. Helps to improve the partial and carries little risk in a limited-opening system.

[cherdanno]

jdonn, on Jul 20 2009, 10:20 AM, said:

Apollo81, on Jul 20 2009, 10:09 AM, said:

jdonn, on Jul 20 2009, 10:50 AM, said:

Too far in what direction? This hand is too ____ for 1♥ in your opinion? (please fill in the blank)

"Spadey"

Good answer.

Apollo81, on Jul 20 2009, 10:13 AM, said:

Passing is much less safe in precision than responding 1♥.  Unless your partner raises on 3 a lot, the worst that will usually happen if you respond 1♥ is that you play a 4-3 fit.

I don't even think partner raising on 3 creates much of a risk. They are very unlikely to find a balancing double since they have too many hearts, and if RHO were to make a penalty pass of one he would probably have had a 1♥ overcall to begin with. You will just go for 150 peacefully if partner raises on 3.

Well ok, that is a fair risk. Stupid matchpoints.

Even at IMPs your lottery ticket is far too pricey IMO. There are many balanced 13 counts where opponents don't have game, and you are getting to the wrong partscore by bidding 1♥. Yeah sometimes you win the lottery when neither opponent can balance you out of your 3-3 heart fit when they have 3NT on, but that gives only twice as many IMPs than the double partscore swings you are losing.