[P_Marlowe]

helene_t, on Jul 19 2009, 05:05 PM, said:

Hey Uwe, nobody plays constructive raises by a passed hand!

We do, and we also play a 1NT response by a passed hand as forcing,
works ok.

The major reason, and also one reason, why we dont play Drury:
We dont want to play a different system in 3rd seat than in 1st or 2nd,
may not be theoretical superior, but it is also not vastly inferior.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Free]

helene_t, on Jul 20 2009, 12:42 AM, said:

1NT by a passed hand is not forcing of course. Nobody plays that.

A well deserved LOL

Imo Drury is a must when opening light or when it can be a 4 card suit. When not, it's not worth playing imo.

[Cascade]

Free, on Jul 20 2009, 06:27 PM, said:

helene_t, on Jul 20 2009, 12:42 AM, said:

1NT by a passed hand is not forcing of course. Nobody plays that.

A well deserved LOL

Imo Drury is a must when opening light or when it can be a 4 card suit. When not, it's not worth playing imo.

What is light?

[ArtK78]

zheddh, on Jul 18 2009, 10:26 AM, said:

As an aside, I heard some famous player said "Drury was the most useless convention invented". Is that true?

I don't know if that is a direct quote, but I know that Matt Granovetter dislikes Drury with a passion. He wrote about it in his now departed magazine, Bridge Today.

[ArtK78]

helene_t, on Jul 19 2009, 05:05 PM, said:

Hey Uwe, nobody plays constructive raises by a passed hand!

I did. Before I started playing Drury.

I also played 1NT forcing by a passed hand, as we would bid 1NT forcing with support but less than a constructive raise.

It is a very playable method.

[helene_t]

aguahombre, on Jul 20 2009, 01:20 AM, said:

I honestly wanted to know how people who play drury and nfnt handle hands with long minors which could not be opened appropriately the first time.

If you play Drury you will have to bid 1NT with basically the same hands that would also have responded (forcing) 1NT to a 1st/2nd seat 1M opening, except that they do not generally include hands with 3-card support. 10-12 support points for Drury and 6-9 for a simple raise, or something like that.

I don't think that it is much of a loss that you can't bid a forcing 1NT with a weak hand with long clubs. A forcing 1NT would win only when partner rebids 2♣ (not so likely), or when your club are long/good enough that you want to offer 3♣ as a contract, in which case you would probably have opened 3♣.

If you don't play Drury I suppose the system would revert to something like SAYC. As Mikeh refers to when he says that 2/1 is off by a passed hand.

[cherdanno]

helene_t, on Jul 20 2009, 08:37 AM, said:

If you don't play Drury I suppose the system would revert to something like SAYC. As Mikeh refers to when he says that 2/1 is off by a passed hand.

No, passed hand 2/1 responses are non-forcing.

[helene_t]

cherdanno, on Jul 20 2009, 02:46 PM, said:

helene_t, on Jul 20 2009, 08:37 AM, said:

If you don't play Drury I suppose the system would revert to something like SAYC. As Mikeh refers to when he says that 2/1 is off by a passed hand.

No, passed hand 2/1 responses are non-forcing.

Yes of course, but if opener bids on after the 2/1 response, you will need some agreements about which subsequent bids are forcing.

[Phil]

Drury is essential. Perhaps this player was discussing 2-way Drury as

Quote

...the most useless convention invented".

[ArtK78]

Phil, on Jul 20 2009, 09:36 AM, said:

Drury is essential. Perhaps this player was discussing 2-way Drury as

Quote

...the most useless convention invented".

I remember that Matt Granovetter, in his article advocating that players give up Drury, stated that one of the weak points of Drury was the artificial 2♣ bid allowed the opponents to enter the auction safely with a double showing clubs. His comment about 2-way Drury was that it merely increased the number of suits that the opening side used as artificial calls, enabling the opposition to enter the auction in whatever suit the opening side chose to bid.

He also disliked losing the natural 2♣ (and 2♦) response to a third seat opening bid.

[Jlall]

ArtK78, on Jul 20 2009, 10:11 AM, said:

Phil, on Jul 20 2009, 09:36 AM, said:

Drury is essential. Perhaps this player was discussing 2-way Drury as

Quote

...the most useless convention invented".

I remember that Matt Granovetter, in his article advocating that players give up Drury, stated that one of the weak points of Drury was the artificial 2♣ bid allowed the opponents to enter the auction safely with a double showing clubs. His comment about 2-way Drury was that it merely increased the number of suits that the opening side used as artificial calls, enabling the opposition to enter the auction in whatever suit the opening side chose to bid.

He also disliked losing the natural 2♣ (and 2♦) response to a third seat opening bid.

Obv much more sensible to force to the 3 level rather than the 2 level in an effort to avoid them making lead directional calls.

[Cascade]

Cascade, on Jul 20 2009, 06:52 PM, said:

Free, on Jul 20 2009, 06:27 PM, said:

helene_t, on Jul 20 2009, 12:42 AM, said:

1NT by a passed hand is not forcing of course. Nobody plays that.

A well deserved LOL

Imo Drury is a must when opening light or when it can be a 4 card suit. When not, it's not worth playing imo.

What is light?

Since no one answered. I took a look at some convention cards (about 8) for the upcoming Bermuda Bowl. Of the ones I looked at that played Drury (most since I targeted pairs that I knew played fairly standard North American methods) only one mentioned light openings in third seat. And that one did not document how light.