[the hog]

ONEferBRID, on Jul 15 2009, 06:18 PM, said:

The_Hog, on Jul 15 2009, 05:18 AM, said:

I am bidding game. Transfer to S and then bid 3H forcing.

That auction shows a 5/5, GF ( Transfer and then a 2nd suit = 5 cards).

Stayman and then bidding your other Major ( Smolen or not -- Smolen not needed with weak NT ) and then rebidding your long Major if opener declines again shows the 6/4.

It doesn't the way I or anyone I play with bids.
Curious as to how you would find a minor suit game or slam in say a 5314 shape.

Anyway, I misread the original problem and thought it was over a 15-17NT, not that that has any relevance to the comment above.

[skjaeran]

Jlall, on Jul 16 2009, 12:54 AM, said:

I must be crazy but I wouldn't even invite.

hmm, me neither

[ONEferBRID]

The_Hog, on Jul 15 2009, 09:20 PM, said:

ONEferBRID, on Jul 15 2009, 06:18 PM, said:

The_Hog, on Jul 15 2009, 05:18 AM, said:

I am bidding game. Transfer to S and then bid 3H forcing.

That auction shows a 5/5, GF ( Transfer and then a 2nd suit = 5 cards).

Stayman and then bidding your other Major ( Smolen or not -- Smolen not needed with weak NT ) and then rebidding your long Major if opener declines again shows the 6/4.

It doesn't the way I or anyone I play with bids.

Curious as to how you would find a minor suit game or slam in say a 5314 shape ?

I gave the commonly used structure for both Majors.

For GF+ Major/minor 2-suiters you only need a "good" 4 cds minor:

1NT - 2D!/2H!
2M - 3m = 5M/4+m

[the hog]

ONEferBRID, on Jul 17 2009, 04:52 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Jul 15 2009, 09:20 PM, said:

ONEferBRID, on Jul 15 2009, 06:18 PM, said:

The_Hog, on Jul 15 2009, 05:18 AM, said:

I am bidding game. Transfer to S and then bid 3H forcing.

That auction shows a 5/5, GF ( Transfer and then a 2nd suit = 5 cards).

Stayman and then bidding your other Major ( Smolen or not -- Smolen not needed with weak NT ) and then rebidding your long Major if opener declines again shows the 6/4.

It doesn't the way I or anyone I play with bids.

Curious as to how you would find a minor suit game or slam in say a 5314 shape ?

I gave the commonly used structure for both Majors.

For GF+ Major/minor 2-suiters you only need a "good" 4 cds minor:

1NT - 2D!/2H!
2M - 3m = 5M/4+m

"Commonly used" by whom? Certainly not by me or anyone I know. Playing this sequence as 5/5 is a waste of a sequence imo.