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GF or invite

Poll: Do you GF? (32 member(s) have cast votes)

Do you GF?

  1. GF (showing 6/4) (5 votes [15.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.62%

  2. Invite (showing 5/4) (16 votes [50.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

  3. Other (11 votes [34.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 34.38%

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#1 User is offline   Ant590 

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Posted 2009-July-15, 04:13

Holding

♠AKT9xx ♥Txxx ♦Q ♣xx

Matchpoints in a mediocre field, vulnerable against not.

Partner opens a weak NT (12-14). You can either invite showing 5/4 or GF showing 6/4.

Which do you do? Is it clearcut?

Edit: 13 cards now
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Posted 2009-July-15, 04:16

How do I invite showing 5-4? If my partner has 4 hearts I'd love to be in game but if he doesn't I'm not quite sure.

View Postwyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2009-July-15, 04:18

Would treat that hand as an invite inspite of the good suit.
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Posted 2009-July-15, 04:18

I am bidding game. Transfer to S and then bid 3H forcing.
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Posted 2009-July-15, 04:21

Hanoi5, on Jul 15 2009, 11:16 AM, said:

How do I invite showing 5-4? If my partner has 4 hearts I'd love to be in game but if he doesn't I'm not quite sure.

I changed the auction to make the issue more slaient. Our actual auction was:

1♣ - 1♥ .... natural or balanced - spades
1♠ - ? .... weak nt without 4 spades or 1=4=4=4

Here we play two-way-checkback, so I can invite with 5/4 via 2♣-2♦-2♥ or GF with an immediate 2♦.

I felt the problem was similar to the way I presented it in the OP though
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Posted 2009-July-15, 04:23

Can I invite showing a one-suiter?
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Posted 2009-July-15, 04:25

gnasher, on Jul 15 2009, 11:23 AM, said:

Can I invite showing a one-suiter?

Yeah, can invite showing 5+ spades at the 2-level, or 6 at the three level
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Posted 2009-July-15, 04:46

The_Hog, on Jul 15 2009, 10:18 AM, said:

I am bidding game. Transfer to S and then bid 3H forcing.

I can't find a hand where hearts play better than spades, I wouldn't bid them if blasting to game anyway.
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Posted 2009-July-15, 05:04

Invite.

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Posted 2009-July-15, 05:04

Hanoi5, on Jul 15 2009, 05:16 AM, said:

How do I invite showing 5-4? If my partner has 4 hearts I'd love to be in game but if he doesn't I'm not quite sure.


1NT - 2C
2D - 2S = 5/4 invite
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Posted 2009-July-15, 05:18

The_Hog, on Jul 15 2009, 05:18 AM, said:

I am bidding game. Transfer to S and then bid 3H forcing.

That auction shows a 5/5, GF ( Transfer and then a 2nd suit = 5 cards).

Stayman and then bidding your other Major ( Smolen or not -- Smolen not needed with weak NT ) and then rebidding your long Major if opener declines again shows the 6/4.
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Posted 2009-July-15, 07:32

ONEferBRID, on Jul 15 2009, 11:18 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Jul 15 2009, 05:18 AM, said:

I am bidding game. Transfer to S and then bid 3H forcing.

That auction shows a 5/5, GF ( Transfer and then a 2nd suit = 5 cards).

Stayman and then bidding your other Major ( Smolen or not -- Smolen not needed with weak NT ) and then rebidding your long Major if opener declines again shows the 6/4.

Lol, you know Ron's system better than himself?
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Posted 2009-July-15, 10:30

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Posted 2009-July-15, 10:32

Ant590, on Jul 15 2009, 05:25 AM, said:

gnasher, on Jul 15 2009, 11:23 AM, said:

Can I invite showing a one-suiter?

Yeah, can invite showing 5+ spades at the 2-level, or 6 at the three level

That's what I do then (2♣--> 3♠ I assume)
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Posted 2009-July-15, 13:47

wow
Is the word "pass" not in your vocabulary?
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Posted 2009-July-15, 14:42

I invite in spades. This is transfer and raise for me.
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Posted 2009-July-15, 15:07

Invite in spades and stay at the 2 level if possible. If partner pass 2S it wouldnt suprise me if we make only 8 tricks.
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Posted 2009-July-15, 16:49

While I disagree with Fluffy, who said he couldn't construct a hand that played better in hearts than in spades (there aren't many, tho), I would agree with him and the others who want to treat this as spades and only spades. I would invite, and would be happy to avoid playing transfers on this hand.... not only do I love being declarer in a mediocre field, but there is the advantage of concealment, especially having avoided mentioning hearts in the auction. While offset to some degree (possibly large) by not having the lead come around to partner's non-spade holding, I see it as a slight edge.
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Posted 2009-July-15, 16:54

I must be crazy but I wouldn't even invite.
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Posted 2009-July-15, 20:14

Matchpoints, protect the plus. Also, we are playing in spades, and partner is playing it. There is nothing positional about our hand.
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