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I had an interesting problem come up.
Suppose that you open 2♥ or 2♠ weak, despite having 6-4 or 4-6 in the majors.
Partner then bids 2NT, asking for length and shape (3♣ five, with 3♦ strength re-ask; 3♦/3♥/3♠ 6min/mid/max). You show whatever you have, and partner elects to bid 3NT.
Now, with 6-4 or 4-6, especially with some hands, you may have really good cause to pull 3NT. If you hold 6♠/4♥, then 4♥ seems to show what you have and gives partner options. But, if you hold 6♥/4♠, you have a problem.
Seems to me that 2♥-P-2NT!-P-?-P-3NT-P-4♣ might make sense as "stayman" or "nmf" or something.
Thoughts?
(I had ♠Jxxx ♥QJ10xxx ♦Jx ♣x or so.)
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Posted 2009-July-14, 18:52
It is a general problem when you have shorter spades than hearts and partner prematurely bids 3NT.
Perhaps 4♥ by inference shows that hand. Depending on how likely seven hearts are.
Perhaps 4♥ by inference shows that hand. Depending on how likely seven hearts are.
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Posted 2009-July-14, 18:55
I think, having shown a bad hand with 6 hearts (please tell me this was a bad hand for you), that pulling 3NT on that particular hand is quite bad even if you can show it. Come to think of it, I don't think I would ever want to preempt in hearts if I hold spades so good that I will feel the need to pull 3NT later.
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Posted 2009-July-15, 06:02
In practice, I passed 3NT. I think partner's 3NT was off (he had AK tight in hearts). But, then I wondered if the 4-6 pattern was that extra something meriting my call of something to show 4-6 pattern. Two ways to win, rather than one.
I did show weak with six, btw.
I did show weak with six, btw.
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Posted 2009-July-15, 07:44
kenrexford, on Jul 15 2009, 02:02 PM, said:
In practice, I passed 3NT. I think partner's 3NT was off (he had AK tight in hearts). But, then I wondered if the 4-6 pattern was that extra something meriting my call of something to show 4-6 pattern. Two ways to win, rather than one.
I did show weak with six, btw.
I did show weak with six, btw.
Your hand is not worth opening. It is a defensive hand.
Opening anyway your partner seems not to understand the implications of holding top cards in his short suit versus long-weak.
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Posted 2009-July-15, 08:06
I fail to see the need to create the problem with the wk 2H to begin with. I try to avoid making sense of a bid that might come up once in a couple of thousand hands. My thoughts are more like, why do you want to consider this this?
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Posted 2009-July-15, 08:19
I think that your main problem on this hand was partner's decision to play 3NT opposite a bad weak 2 bid in hearts when he holds the AK tight of hearts (assuming that your recollection is correct).
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