[abbadagg]

Scoring: MP

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We ended with 6Hx, by South, down 2.

Al

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

System?

Assuming a SAYC like system:

1H - 2D (1)
2H (2) - 4H (3)

(1) promising another bid
(2) even if 2H would be NF, 2H is best, it usually helps, if on limits his hand
early, 4 diamonds / spades are possible
(3) 3H is possible, if it is forcing, 2S is possible, it is forcing, showes 5-4,
but delaying to show the discovered fit usually complicates later auctions
I think 3H is better than 4H, espesially if 2H was forcing, but you know
which system you are playing?
After 3H opener will cue clubs, but wont go beyond 4H, and also responder
wont go beyond 4H, which is great, because 6H-2 means you can make 10
tricks ...

With kind regards
Marlowe

[jdonn]

1♥ - 2♦
3♣ - 3♥
3♠ - 4♦
4♥

look good to me. Replace 3♠ with 4♣ according to style.

[Jlall]

1H 2D
2H 4C
4H

[mike777]

1h=2d
3c=3h
4c=4d
4h=p

[mtvesuvius]

1H - 2D
3C - 3H
3S - 4C
4H end.

[kenrexford]

This is a tough one. I like Justin's auction, except that I could not myself bid that because of the spade control and poor trumps.

For me:

1♥-2♦(GF)
3♣-3♥(sets trumps)
3♠(spade control)-4♦(non-serious, none of the top three clubs, two of the top three diamonds)

At this point, Opener will be justifiably interested. He expects good things from diamonds, has clubs solid, has spades uinder control, and need only heart assistance. So, he may well embark out with 4NT RKCB. But, that sequence will leave him with no idea as to whether the second key card is the heart Ace or the spade Ace, which may be really important.

A 5♣ call does him no good (asking, for me, but he has AKQ), nor does a 5♦ call really help much. A 4♠ call is wrong, because he only has second-round clubs. So, he seems stuck with passing on the GP of "non-serious" or using RKCB. Might be a judgment call.

If Opener opts high, 4NT yields a 5♥ response. Opener might now, knowing that the heart Queen is missing, make a stab at 6♦, if that at this point would be taken as to play. If the heart Ace is well-placed, Responder will probably take five diamonds, a heart, and a spade, for 7 tricks. If the club hook works, that's 11 tricks. If the clubs then split 4-3, or if some squeeze materializes, then 12 tricks sneak home.

[the hog]

Jlall, on Jul 14 2009, 05:38 AM, said:

1H 2D
2H 4C
4H

This looks right to me. The hand is not good enough to bid 3C on the second round, and after the splinter, Sth can discount the C values.

[Cascade]

The_Hog, on Jul 14 2009, 01:40 PM, said:

Jlall, on Jul 14 2009, 05:38 AM, said:

1H 2D
2H 4C
4H

This looks right to me. The hand is not good enough to bid 3C on the second round, and after the splinter, Sth can discount the C values.

I think it is.

With 15 3♣ would be automatic.

Here with 14 we have extra distribution and the queen in partner's first bid suit so surely we are worth a slight upgrade.

[jdonn]

I detest not rebidding 3♣. 14 with 5-5, T9 and T in the long suits, and Qx of partner's suit. It's not even close to not being good enough.

[jmcw]

jdonn, on Jul 13 2009, 09:47 PM, said:

I detest not rebidding 3♣. 14 with 5-5, T9 and T in the long suits, and Qx of partner's suit. It's not even close to not being good enough.

3♣ is a must for me at my second turn. Perhaps that's the flaw! it becomes awfully difficult to slow down when the bidding races up so fast. I think I'll manage to stop in 5, and I'm not buying all the previous posts who stop in 4

[peachy]

The diamond Q bumps this up to better than 14HCP; I think 3C is correct rebid by opener.
1H-2D
3C-3H
4C-4H

If playing SAYC with a stranger, I would bid 4H over 3C.

[Cascade]

jmcw, on Jul 14 2009, 04:35 PM, said:

jdonn, on Jul 13 2009, 09:47 PM, said:

I detest not rebidding 3♣. 14 with 5-5, T9 and T in the long suits, and Qx of partner's suit. It's not even close to not being good enough.

3♣ is a must for me at my second turn. Perhaps that's the flaw! it becomes awfully difficult to slow down when the bidding races up so fast. I think I'll manage to stop in 5, and I'm not buying all the previous posts who stop in 4

Maybe you are correct but after

1♥ 2♦
3♣ 3♥
3♠ 4♦
4♥ ?

4♥ is surely correct as he does not have extras.

Now responder has a little extra strength but shortage in partner's second suit and bad trumps. I am not sure that responder would pass but on a pessimistic day he might.

The auction would have done better if they could have used a serious or frivolous 3NT (or better yet a serious or frivolous 3♠).

We would have bid similarly to the above up until 3♥ and then ...

3♠ Frivolous - in other words I have already fully stretched my values.

Responder still has a little extra and a great source of tricks and two key-cards so might imagine a slam e.g. opposite a similar hand with the heart and club textures interchanged. So therefore might be worth another move:

3NT = spade cue

4♣ = cue

4♦ = cue

4♥

Pass

Opener would know that his good clubs are not exactly what responder needed and could be fairly confident that responder with something like ♠A ♥A ♦ AK might make another try.

[the hog]

jdonn, on Jul 14 2009, 09:47 AM, said:

I detest not rebidding 3♣. 14 with 5-5, T9 and T in the long suits, and Qx of partner's suit. It's not even close to not being good enough.

Maybe thats why you bid so many bad slams?

[jdonn]

The_Hog, on Jul 14 2009, 11:41 PM, said:

jdonn, on Jul 14 2009, 09:47 AM, said:

I detest not rebidding 3♣. 14 with 5-5, T9 and T in the long suits, and Qx of partner's suit. It's not even close to not being good enough.

Maybe thats why you bid so many bad slams?

Not at all, that's my strength. Bad sacrifices are a different story.

[Jlall]

jdonn, on Jul 15 2009, 12:25 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Jul 14 2009, 11:41 PM, said:

jdonn, on Jul 14 2009, 09:47 AM, said:

I detest not rebidding 3♣. 14 with 5-5, T9 and T in the long suits, and Qx of partner's suit. It's not even close to not being good enough.

Maybe thats why you bid so many bad slams?

Not at all, that's my strength. Bad sacrifices are a different story.

How do you not reference bad leads

[jdonn]

Please, this is a bidding poll.

[skjaeran]

1♥ - 2♦ (GF)
3♣ - 3♥
3♠ - 4♦ (frivolous)
4♥