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Rebidding after a strong 2 CLUBS Your Bid (poll)

Poll: Your Call (39 member(s) have cast votes)

Your Call

  1. 3NT.....I can't raise Spades. (21 votes [53.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 53.85%

  2. 4CL.....My other suit. (5 votes [12.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.82%

  3. 4SP.....I can't stand anything else. (13 votes [33.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  4. Something else. (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   jmcw 

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Posted 2009-July-11, 17:26

Scoring: IMP

2♣----2♦
2♠----3♦
3♠---- ?


Your 2♦ is GF and 3♦ shows 5+ without 2 honors.

What do you bid over 3♠
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Posted 2009-July-11, 18:09

I think I can't raise spades. 3NT, partner should have something in hearts. He didn't bid clubs, could he have 4? Then 4♣ would be correct (as someone pointed out this might sound as a cue-bid, and in that case 4♠ would be better). What would 3♠ have been over 2♦?

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Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2009-July-11, 18:18

Hanoi5, on Jul 11 2009, 07:09 PM, said:

I think I can't raise spades. 3NT, partner should have something in hearts. He didn't bid clubs, could he have 4? Then 4♣ would be correct. What would 3♠ have been over 2♦?

3♠ over2♦ show a solid suit at least AKQTxx
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Posted 2009-July-11, 19:32

Anything other than 4S should show an ace - which I don't have - after partner has shown long spades. Assumedly not solid or self supporting because the auction would have been 2C-2D-3S with that. Also, I have a minimum responding values [in context with the system]; if I had a bit more, I would bid 3NT but with this, I'll settle for 4S.
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Posted 2009-July-11, 20:02

peachy, on Jul 11 2009, 08:32 PM, said:

Anything other than 4S should show an ace - which I don't have - after partner has shown long spades. Assumedly not solid or self supporting because the auction would have been 2C-2D-3S with that. Also, I have a minimum responding values [in context with the system]; if I had a bit more, I would bid 3NT but with this, I'll settle for 4S.

That is just about what I was thinking. I can live with 3NT but 4♣ makes me cringe.
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Posted 2009-July-12, 03:12

4♠ for me.
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Posted 2009-July-12, 11:50

3NT wtp. You are the responder to 2♣, partner can't expect stoppers everywhere, it just denies a spade fit.
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Posted 2009-July-12, 15:57

4♠ is silly IMO. If partner wants to insist on ♠ he can take you out of 3NT, so surely supporting partner shows more than a small singleton.
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Posted 2009-July-12, 19:00

jdonn, on Jul 12 2009, 09:50 AM, said:

3NT wtp. You are the responder to 2♣, partner can't expect stoppers everywhere, it just denies a spade fit.

It is for this reason I would have bid 2NT/2♠.
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Posted 2009-July-12, 20:42

Echognome, on Jul 12 2009, 08:00 PM, said:

jdonn, on Jul 12 2009, 09:50 AM, said:

3NT wtp. You are the responder to 2♣, partner can't expect stoppers everywhere, it just denies a spade fit.

It is for this reason I would have bid 2NT/2♠.

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Posted 2009-July-12, 21:46

Echognome, on Jul 12 2009, 08:00 PM, said:

jdonn, on Jul 12 2009, 09:50 AM, said:

3NT wtp. You are the responder to 2♣, partner can't expect stoppers everywhere, it just denies a spade fit.

It is for this reason I would have bid 2NT/2♠.

I agree, mostly so partner can rebid 3♣ if he has them.
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Posted 2009-July-13, 06:06

3NT now, no support. Probably the bid that works best to slow down partner unless he's got a monster.

As others, I prefer 2NT over 2♠.
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Posted 2009-July-13, 06:40

jdonn, on Jul 12 2009, 10:46 PM, said:

Echognome, on Jul 12 2009, 08:00 PM, said:

jdonn, on Jul 12 2009, 09:50 AM, said:

3NT wtp. You are the responder to 2♣, partner can't expect stoppers everywhere, it just denies a spade fit.

It is for this reason I would have bid 2NT/2♠.

I agree, mostly so partner can rebid 3♣ if he has them.

Seems to me a 2NT call over 2♠ should deny a useful side suit. How do you ever find your ♦ slam?
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Posted 2009-July-13, 08:37

I hate 2NT over 2♠. Not only do I have a real suit to bid, but I am wrong-siding the no trump contract.

When partner rebids 3♠, he endplays me into bidding 3NT.
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Posted 2009-July-13, 09:20

jmcw, on Jul 13 2009, 07:40 AM, said:

jdonn, on Jul 12 2009, 10:46 PM, said:

Echognome, on Jul 12 2009, 08:00 PM, said:

jdonn, on Jul 12 2009, 09:50 AM, said:

3NT wtp. You are the responder to 2♣, partner can't expect stoppers everywhere, it just denies a spade fit.

It is for this reason I would have bid 2NT/2♠.

I agree, mostly so partner can rebid 3♣ if he has them.

Seems to me a 2NT call over 2♠ should deny a useful side suit. How do you ever find your ♦ slam?

Partner hasn't passed out 2NT yet so we won't miss a 5-4 diamond fit. If your main priority is finding a 5-3 diamond slam from responder's side with his Kxxxx, you need to reexamine your priorities.
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Posted 2009-July-13, 22:26

jdonn, on Jul 13 2009, 10:20 AM, said:

jmcw, on Jul 13 2009, 07:40 AM, said:

jdonn, on Jul 12 2009, 10:46 PM, said:

Echognome, on Jul 12 2009, 08:00 PM, said:

jdonn, on Jul 12 2009, 09:50 AM, said:

3NT wtp. You are the responder to 2♣, partner can't expect stoppers everywhere, it just denies a spade fit.

It is for this reason I would have bid 2NT/2♠.

I agree, mostly so partner can rebid 3♣ if he has them.

Seems to me a 2NT call over 2♠ should deny a useful side suit. How do you ever find your ♦ slam?

Partner hasn't passed out 2NT yet so we won't miss a 5-4 diamond fit. If your main priority is finding a 5-3 diamond slam from responder's side with his Kxxxx, you need to reexamine your priorities.

Maybe I asked the wrong question. Seems a number of you prefer 2NT vs 3♦ as a rebid. I confess it never occured to me at the table ( I need 2♠ for that bid ), can't say that I see any compelling reason to feel different now!. Admittedly 3NT seems the better call over 3♠. Thankyou for the response.
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Posted 2009-July-14, 05:07

Agree with the 2NT over 2♠, but that is not the position we find ourselves in and it comes down to 3NT or 4♠. 3NT has the benefit of being 1 trick less but there may communication problems. The only problems I can envisage would be because opener is weaker than advertised but greater shape, that being the case 3NT would get pulled so I do not see a down side to 3NT?
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