[ArtK78]

I don't understand why the Precision 2♣ opening is a part of this discussion.

No matter how you look at it, the Precision 2♣ opening does not promise a side 4 card major. Only if the club suit is exactly 5 cards long must the opener have a side 4 card major. But when the opening bid is made, there is no guarantee that opener has a side 4 card major.

No matter how you look at the Precision 2♣ opening, it is a natural call.

[TimG]

ArtK78, on Jul 11 2009, 04:03 PM, said:

I don't understand why the Precision 2♣ opening is a part of this discussion.

No matter how you look at it, the Precision 2♣ opening does not promise a side 4 card major.  Only if the club suit is exactly 5 cards long must the opener have a side 4 card major.  But when the opening bid is made, there is no guarantee that opener has a side 4 card major.

No matter how you look at the Precision 2♣ opening, it is a natural call.

Well, 2♣ doesn't mean just clubs. It has two possible meanings:

1) 6+ clubs, or
2) 5+ clubs and a 4-card major.

Significant to me is that 2) does not read "5+ clubs and a side 4-card suit". That would just amount to an unbalanced hand with clubs. (Let's assume for the moment that "unbalanced" doesn't make something conventional.)

It is the exclusion of diamonds as one of the possible side suits that makes me think this 2♣ is conventional.

I do agree with you that this 2♣ opening is natural. That does not preclude it from also being conventional.

No matter how you look at a 2♠ opening which shows 5+ spades and a 5+ card minor, it is a natural call.

Natural and conventional are not mutually exclusive.

[Cascade]

aguahombre, on Jul 11 2009, 10:51 AM, said:

I think we all know the "spirit" of the rules they devised when creating a GCC and and Mid Card. Instead of trying to beat the system, how about not using the exotic methods which are questionable in a GCC event?

You mean like 1♣ could be short as two?