[ONEferBRID]

IMPs
Both Vul
opps silent
Partner opens

1NT - 2D!
3H - ??

Do you pass or bid game after the Super Accept ?

T x
J T x x x
K x
J T x x

[Echognome]

I'm not sure if it will affect my decision, but what other choices did your partner have to super accept? What would 2♠, 2NT, 3♣, or 3♦ mean? Does 3♥ show anything in particular?

[Phil]

We get an extra 450 points for game here, right?

Just checking. Yeah, I'll bid 4.

[Apollo81]

I'd bid game because I have both tens, and it's red imps.

BTW it's nice to play a form of superaccepts where there is a "nonserious" option for opener.

[Jlall]

Apollo81, on Jul 8 2009, 03:28 PM, said:

I'd bid game because I have both tens, and it's red imps.

BTW it's nice to play a form of superaccepts where there is a "nonserious" option for opener.

How about 2H non serious

[jdonn]

Definitely game the way I play super accepts. When I do it, I mean it.

The way I see lots of people playing them, I don't want to bid game with this opposite a random 16 with four hearts.

[gnasher]

This looks suspiciously like the responding hand in this thread:
http://forums.bridge...showtopic=32885

[Cascade]

ONEferBRID, on Jul 9 2009, 07:57 AM, said:

IMPs
Both Vul
opps silent
Partner opens

1NT - 2D!
3H - ??

Do you pass or bid game after the Super Accept ?

T x
J T x x x
K x
J T x x

LOL

[aguahombre]

Jlall, on Jul 8 2009, 03:39 PM, said:

Apollo81, on Jul 8 2009, 03:28 PM, said:

I'd bid game because I have both tens, and it's red imps.

BTW it's nice to play a form of superaccepts where there is a "nonserious" option for opener.

How about 2H non serious

good answer

[quiddity]

jdonn, on Jul 8 2009, 03:40 PM, said:

Definitely game the way I play super accepts. When I do it, I mean it.

The way I see lots of people playing them, I don't want to bid game with this opposite a random 16 with four hearts.

If you restrict super-accepts to hands which make game opposite a crappy 5-count, don't you have problems when responder has the borderline 7-count with a singleton? (Or if that's always an invite, make it a 6-count - hands which are worth game opposite a fit, but aren't really even invitational without one)

[jdonn]

quiddity, on Jul 8 2009, 04:04 PM, said:

jdonn, on Jul 8 2009, 03:40 PM, said:

Definitely game the way I play super accepts. When I do it, I mean it.

The way I see lots of people playing them, I don't want to bid game with this opposite a random 16 with four hearts.

If you restrict super-accepts to hands which make game opposite a crappy 5-count, don't you have problems when responder has the borderline 7-count with a singleton? (Or if that's always an invite, make it a 6-count - hands which are worth game opposite a fit, but aren't really even invitational without one)

I can show those as responder in my prefered system (light invitational responding hands with two suits). Anyway I don't think this 5 count is so crappy, so if you have the system to distinguish when opener needs responder to have a 5 count to make game and when he needs him to have a 6 count, please inform us.

[quiddity]

[quote name='jdonn' date='Jul 8 2009, 04:23 PM'] [quote name='quiddity' date='Jul 8 2009, 04:04 PM']
I can show those as responder in my prefered system (light invitational responding hands with two suits). [/quote]
How does it work? I have had problems dealing with such hands.
Agree it's a bit much to distinguish between 5 points and 6, but there must be a wide gap in playing strength between a 7-count with a singleton and a 5-count with no singleton. How do you get to game with the former hand when you have a fit without getting to too many hopeless 3nt contracts?

[Apollo81]

Jlall, on Jul 8 2009, 04:39 PM, said:

Apollo81, on Jul 8 2009, 03:28 PM, said:

I'd bid game because I have both tens, and it's red imps.

BTW it's nice to play a form of superaccepts where there is a "nonserious" option for opener.

How about 2H non serious

come on, if you're e.g. 2533 you're seriously happy bidding 2♥?

[Jlall]

Apollo81, on Jul 8 2009, 05:36 PM, said:

Jlall, on Jul 8 2009, 04:39 PM, said:

Apollo81, on Jul 8 2009, 03:28 PM, said:

I'd bid game because I have both tens, and it's red imps.

BTW it's nice to play a form of superaccepts where there is a "nonserious" option for opener.

How about 2H non serious

come on, if you're e.g. 2533 you're seriously happy bidding 2♥?

Yes?

[jdonn]

Quote

How does it work?

For all these you can require 5-5 (my preference) or allow it on 5-4, in the first case you are less likely to end up too high with no fit, but in the second case you can use it more often.

1NT 2♣
2♦/♥ 2♠
light unbalanced invite with 5 spades and a minor. Opener can pass, or bid 2NT to ask for the minor.

1NT 2♦
2♥ 2♠
artificial showing light unbalanced invite with 5 hearts and another suit.
Opener must bid 2NT, then you bid 3♣/♦/♥ with clubs/diamonds/spades. You can also include other hands, such as 3♠ over the relay showing a game force with 5-5 in the majors.

[gnasher]

There are five bids available that are higher than 2♥ and not higher than 3♥. Maybe that gives us enough space to be able to show both a maximum with four-card support and a minimum with five-card support?

[aguahombre]

Jlall, on Jul 8 2009, 05:38 PM, said:

Apollo81, on Jul 8 2009, 05:36 PM, said:

Jlall, on Jul 8 2009, 04:39 PM, said:

Apollo81, on Jul 8 2009, 03:28 PM, said:

I'd bid game because I have both tens, and it's red imps.

BTW it's nice to play a form of superaccepts where there is a "nonserious" option for opener.

How about 2H non serious

come on, if you're e.g. 2533 you're seriously happy bidding 2♥?

Yes?

non serious 4H. LAW gone mad? Haven't had a disaster yet, doing that.

[Fluffy]

Do people around the world show super max with 2NT when you hold ♥KQx/♥AQx/♥AKx?


for the vacant super acceptances, you could play that 3♣ shows something easy to remember like Ax AKQx Kxxx xxx, if it ever happens you will have a laugh.

[Jlall]

gnasher, on Jul 9 2009, 03:34 AM, said:

There are five bids available that are higher than 2♥ and not higher than 3♥. Maybe that gives us enough space to be able to show both a maximum with four-card support and a minimum with five-card support?

You can also use 6N to show a minimum with four hearts. You wouldn't want to even though you could. I disagree strongly with forcing to the 3 level with a minimum on an auction where it is very hard for the opponents to come into the auction safely.

[gnasher]

Jlall, on Jul 9 2009, 11:11 PM, said:

I disagree strongly with forcing to the 3 level with a minimum on an auction where it is very hard for the opponents to come into the auction safely.

We have a ten-card fit, 15 opposite 0-7, and you expect to be able to play in 2♥? Do you play your bridge mainly at golf clubs now?