[Cascade]

Scoring: IMP

Pass (1♠) Dbl (2♠)
3♣ (4♠) ?

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How say you ladies and gentleman of the jury?

[zasanya]

dbl ♠ K shud be a trick in defence.May not be much use if we declare but we should be able to set 4♠.Seems there are 19 trumps but wild distribution and impure trump suits so LOTT suggests dbl .If P has no defensive trick and only long ♣ she may bid 5♣
Would it be a mistake to bid 1NT instead of double?I am assuming we have methods to find ♥ fit if N has invitational hand with ♥.

[655321]

5♣ not close.

Would rather score +550 than -790.

Double worked well, I would probably have overcalled 1NT - maybe double is a better bid?

[Codo]

Did the 3 club bid showed anything? Had partner been able to bid 2 NT as lebensohl?

Anyway I would bid 5 ♣. They bid 4 ♠ to make. There is a chance that I can double 5 Spade or win in 5 club.

[P_Marlowe]

X.

The chances that 5C is making are low, so the question
is defend (with or without) double or sac.
i would go with defence and X.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[gnasher]

I'd definitely have overcalled 1NT. The takeout double already covers a huge range of hands; let's not make it worse by doubling on a hand where we have a clear-cut descriptive alternative.

[helene_t]

dbl. I have four clubs but I also have much more spades than p will expect. If 5♣ is right p will bid it. He will expect 3 clubs and 1-2 spades for my double so from a LOTT perspective, he will actually pull my double too often. If he sits for the double, for all we know there are 17 total trumps. If there are 19 total trumps he will certainly pull.

Presumably a 1NT overcall would have been raptor or something?

[Cascade]

Codo, on Jul 8 2009, 07:00 PM, said:

Did the 3 club bid showed anything? Had partner been able to bid 2 NT as lebensohl?

Anyway I would bid 5 ♣. They bid 4 ♠ to make. There is a chance that I can double 5 Spade or win in 5 club.

6-9 and (4)5+ clubs.

Definitely no Lebensohl. We want to know what suit partner has in case there is further competition.

[Cascade]

helene_t, on Jul 8 2009, 09:39 PM, said:

dbl. I have four clubs but I also have much more spades than p will expect. If 5♣ is right p will bid it.

Presumably a 1NT overcall would have been raptor or something?

I am not so sure that partner will know to bid it. She won't know for example that we have four clubs.

1NT would have been natural.

I was the doubler. I was swayed by the fact that we play 10-13 no trump in partner's seat so that it seemed to me if we had a game that it was more likely to be in a suit (hearts). And hopefully double was a safer way to enter the auction.

[Codo]

SO we have between 22 and 25 HCPS and they bid 4 spade vul against not?

Now this looks like a heck of a distribution for opener.
Maybe 5350 with nothing wasted in heart- he "knows" that values in hearts are quite useless after your double? AQxxx, xxx,KQJxx,-?
And his partner has Jxxx,KJx,xx,xxxx?

Still a reason to bid 5 club- this time as a defence against 4♠.

[the hog]

Having had to go to the phone during the auction, the wine waiter held my hand and doubled rather than overcalling the obvious 1NT, I would now bid 5C. I agree with the numeric one in that this decision is not close. Oh, and I expect to have good chances to make!

Quote Helene: "If 5♣ is right p will bid it." sorry, and I know I am being rude, but this is worth a lol!

[dake50]

Where are the hearts? Partner had a chance to suggest 4xH, did not. Opponents both know hearts are waste after my T/O double yet 2S raise AND 4S jump. H: 4-5-3-1 (4Sjump) seems likely. That's 2xH +SA to lose =5C fails. Verses 4S: SK +HA +CK + nXD? Looks no need sac.

Extra (to me) for T/O dbl and partner has something, so act. X stands out.

[Phil]

With 4♥ /5♣, or 4♦/5♣ I would expect a responsive double. A responsive double also might include 4♥/6♣, 4♦/6♣ and 5♦/5♣, but these are no means certain.

If pard is 2335 (unlikely), I definitely want to defend 4♠.

If pard is 1336 (very likely), I probably want to defend 4♠, but its closer.

--x Kxx xxx AJxxxx = bid
--x xxx Kxx QJxxxx = defend

Double by me is certainly "do the right thing", but I'm not sure pard will ever know what the right thing is.

I'm bidding 5♣. When its wrong its not wrong by very much.

Agree this is a 1N overcall. Wayne, I think you are aiming for a narrow target with your 'failure to open a mini" statement. Our 1N overcall does not preclude getting to a 4-4 heart fit, much less a 5-4. More importantly, we won't get jockeyed into some silly diamond partial.

[Hanoi5]

X. They're red and I believe they're going down, so why would I risk my 500 for a possible 400?

[Jlall]

Hanoi5, on Jul 8 2009, 11:11 AM, said:

X. They're red and I believe they're going down, so why would I risk my 500 for a possible 400?

500? lol...I mean I guess if the opps sucked I would insta double, but against anyone competent I bet -790 is more likely than +500.

[jdonn]

I completely agree that this depends on your opponents too much to answer in the abstract.

[Cascade]

jdonn, on Jul 9 2009, 09:27 AM, said:

I completely agree that this depends on your opponents too much to answer in the abstract.

Good but not great International players.

[zasanya]

jdonn, on Jul 8 2009, 04:27 PM, said:

I completely agree that this depends on your opponents too much to answer in the abstract.

When P bids 3♣ isn't he promising some strength ?If he has only ♣ and if he doesn't suck then wouldn't he pull the double?Whom should we trust P or Ops?

[jdonn]

zasanya, on Jul 9 2009, 03:24 AM, said:

jdonn, on Jul 8 2009, 04:27 PM, said:

I completely agree that this depends on your opponents too much to answer in the abstract.

When P bids 3♣ isn't he promising some strength ?If he has only ♣ and if he doesn't suck then wouldn't he pull the double?Whom should we trust P or Ops?

What? lol? Partner will pull our double? Who does partner trust, opponents or us?

[ArtK78]

5♣. I believe that my opponents bid 4♠ to make.

This is a 50 point deck. There may be a lot of tricks available. If I am wrong, at least I am not vul.

By the way, "judgment" does not have an "e" after the "g".