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Change of call Legal or illegal

Poll: Not allowing a change of call here (as an opponent) is... (27 member(s) have cast votes)

Not allowing a change of call here (as an opponent) is...

  1. Normal (17 votes [62.96%])

    Percentage of vote: 62.96%

  2. The right thing to do (8 votes [29.63%])

    Percentage of vote: 29.63%

  3. Lawyering (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. Not ethical (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. Against the essence of the sport (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. Something else (2 votes [7.41%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.41%

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Posted 2009-June-29, 08:43

Let's say your partner opens 2♣ and you think you saw 3♣ so you pass and your LHO in disbelief takes a long time to pass and then you notice!

You transfer to hearts over your partner's 2NT opening, your partner bids and you pass over your partner's 3NT and then you notice LHO surprise look, you return your view to the table: your partner had bid 3♠!

Can your bid be changed in any of the above circumstances?

Edit: Would it be considered a failure in ethics the fact that LHO decides to pass not allowing the change? Even though the opponent states that s/he failed to see the bid?

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2009-June-29, 08:45

No.

You can undo a mechanical error, say if you intended to place the stop card but got a pass card instead.

In the above examples you intended to pass. So you can't undo it.
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Posted 2009-June-29, 08:49

You could change it until the laws were recently changed, but you couldn't get a score better than average-minus. Now there's not provision for deliberate change of call.
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Posted 2009-June-29, 09:51

You don't have to miss a penalty if your opp made a stupid handball in the box.

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Posted 2009-June-29, 17:22

The question in the poll really has only one answer. Only the director can make those decisions and it has nothing to do with whether the opponents will allow it or not.
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Posted 2009-June-30, 01:30

JoAnneM, on Jun 30 2009, 12:22 AM, said:

The question in the poll really has only one answer. Only the director can make those decisions and it has nothing to do with whether the opponents will allow it or not.

That's not quite true. If you try to change your bid to something different, the next hand has the right to accept that change. Effectively, therefore, the next hand does have the right to let you take your call back.
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  Posted 2009-June-30, 02:58

Voted "Something else", but might have voted "normally".

If the opponent was weak-sighted, got distracted by something outside of the game, or something similiar, I might allow it.

Law 81:

 A....

 B....

 C...The director's duties and powers normally include also the following:

    1...

    2...

    3...

    4...

    5.to waive rectification for cause, in his discretion, upon the request of the non-offending side.

So if I wanted to allow it, and act corectly, I'd call the director, and then ask him to waive. In real life I'd simply allow it. :)

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Posted 2009-June-30, 10:55

Well, that was the point I was trying to make and didn't say it very well. Both of your statements involved the director, and that is what has to happen first. The opponents accepting is part of what the Laws might allow.

As a director I just don't like rulings made at the table, by the players.
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