[Ant590]

In a "could be 2+ club" system, what is a typical hand for a mixed raise,
(i) in a constructive auction
(ii) in competition

Thanks
Ant.

[helene_t]

What kind of mixed raise do you play?

Playing a weak 1NT, I suppose you could play 3♣ as 9-10 and it would only require 4-card support (or maybe even 3-card support) as partner will bid 3NT with a 15+ balanced.

Playing strong NT I would like 6-card support for 3♣, no matter what strength it shows. Can do with 5 in competition if there is no better alternative.

[Apollo81]

Whatever you think the answer is, the fact that 1♣ was 2+ is irrelavant, assuming you mean that you only open 1♣ on 4-4-3-2 exactly.

IMO that answer is about 7-9 hcp and normally five clubs.

[fromageGB]

I think a direct raise to 3♣ should be 6-9 points and a 5 card suit to preempt 4th seat, a stronger 10-12 with a 5 card suit bidding 2♣.

In competition after RHO has bid a major, for example, I bid 3♣ on any 5 card support short of an opening hand.

[aguahombre]

Apollo81, on Jun 30 2009, 10:08 AM, said:

Whatever you think the answer is, the fact that 1♣ was 2+ is irrelavant, assuming you mean that you only open 1♣ on 4-4-3-2 exactly.

IMO that answer is about 7-9 hcp and normally five clubs.

now the next step is to open 1 diamond on 4 4 3 2 exactly, and make this whole "2+" premise irrelevant.

[hrothgar]

I would consider the following hand a prototypical mixed raise of 1♣

♠ xx
♥ Axx
♦ xxx
♣ KTxxx

After

1♣ - (1♠) - ?

♠ x
♥ Kxx
♦ Qxxx
♣ KTxxx

[Echognome]

Some of you aren't thinking outside the box. What if Ant is playing that all weak NT hands open 1♣, so that 1♦ is unbalanced?

[mike777]

Ant590, on Jun 29 2009, 08:07 AM, said:

In a "could be 2+ club" system, what is a typical hand for a mixed raise,
(i) in a constructive auction
(ii) in competition

Thanks
Ant.

mixed raise of a minor???



Ok....not in my systems.....


edit: I mean really is this why you lose?

[Echognome]

mike777, on Jun 30 2009, 07:35 PM, said:

mixed raise of a minor???



Ok....not in my systems.....


edit: I mean really is this why you lose?

1. How do you bid over your partner's 1♣ opening holding:

a. ♠ Axx ♥ Kx ♦xx ♣AQTxxx
b. ♠ xxx ♥ Qx ♦xx ♣AQTxxx
c. ♠ xxx ♥ xx ♦xx ♣KJTxxx

2. Was your edit really necessary? Maybe you can list all of the great tournaments you have won?

[mike777]

Echognome, on Jul 1 2009, 12:52 AM, said:

mike777, on Jun 30 2009, 07:35 PM, said:

mixed raise of a minor???



Ok....not in my systems.....


edit: I mean really is this why you lose?

1. How do you bid over your partner's 1♣ opening holding:

a. ♠ Axx ♥ Kx ♦xx ♣AQTxxx
b. ♠ xxx ♥ Qx ♦xx ♣AQTxxx
c. ♠ xxx ♥ xx ♦xx ♣KJTxxx

2. Was your edit really necessary? Maybe you can list all of the great tournaments you have won?

over 1c:
2d=game force raise
2s-limit raise


2c=weak no shape
3c=weak more shape

what is the problem?

note no mixed raise....

do you really lose because you have no mixed raise....plse list what wc events you lose no mixed raise.

[Echognome]

So over a 1♣ opening you have 4 ways to raise clubs. I think many pairs have only 2 ways to raise clubs (2♣ and 3♣). So given you have 4 ways to raise clubs, I can imagine not needing a "mixed raise". However, I also bet what others might consider to be a mixed raise fits nicely into one of your categories.

For what it's worth, I would categorize raises as:

Weak/Preemptive
Mixed
Limit/Invitational
Strong/Game Forcing

I normally play 3 raises of a minor, by combining the Limit/GF raises into an inverted minor structure played as Limit+.

As per "needing" a mixed raise to win, I think you obviously "need" a way to show the hand, as you aren't passing it. My guess is for you that you will either show a mixed raise hand as a weak hand or a limit raise, depending on whether you upgrade it.

As per the tournaments won, it is a silly little debate. Suppose you ask a question on bbo "what should this bid look like?" and someone replies "you don't need that bid. Is that why you lose?" How would you react?

[qwery_hi]

Echognome, on Jul 1 2009, 12:08 PM, said:

So over a 1♣ opening you have 4 ways to raise clubs. I think many pairs have only 2 ways to raise clubs (2♣ and 3♣). So given you have 4 ways to raise clubs, I can imagine not needing a "mixed raise". However, I also bet what others might consider to be a mixed raise fits nicely into one of your categories.

For what it's worth, I would categorize raises as:

Weak/Preemptive
Mixed
Limit/Invitational
Strong/Game Forcing

I normally play 3 raises of a minor, by combining the Limit/GF raises into an inverted minor structure played as Limit+.

As per "needing" a mixed raise to win, I think you obviously "need" a way to show the hand, as you aren't passing it. My guess is for you that you will either show a mixed raise hand as a weak hand or a limit raise, depending on whether you upgrade it.

As per the tournaments won, it is a silly little debate. Suppose you ask a question on bbo "what should this bid look like?" and someone replies "you don't need that bid. Is that why you lose?" How would you react?

It is beyond silly, and heck of a troll post.