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1NT-(3H)-3S-(P)-4m what is 4m

#1 User is offline   manudude03 

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Posted 2009-June-21, 15:19

How would you play 4m in the sequence

1NT-(3H)-3S-(P)
4m

You can assume 3H is purely pre-emptive.

I had a mini-debate about this with my partner and neither of us are sure about our opinions.
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Posted 2009-June-21, 15:24

I think it's natural.
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Posted 2009-June-21, 16:29

Cuebid for spades.

Yes there are hands where you are stuck with no heart stopper hand have to raise 3S on a doubleton, and yes it might be nice to be able to bid your 5 card minor and try to play 5 of a minor instead of a 52 spade fit.

However those hands are rare and having to bid 4H with all good hands with spades is just too bulky imo. Cuebid will come up 10x as often, and you will survive in the 52 spade fit anyways most of the time as opposed to last minute minor fit.
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Posted 2009-June-21, 18:29

Cue bid for S of course. Opener has 2 choices, raise the S either directly or by a cue bid, or else bid 3NT.
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Posted 2009-June-21, 19:26

Assuming 3S was forcing with 5+ spades, then 4m can only be a cuebid for spades.
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Posted 2009-June-21, 22:09

Cuebid. I'd think it would be more frequent than it is natural and definitely more beneficial if we were ever hunting for spade slam. Putting all the spade raises as 4♥ is putting the extra space a waste.
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Posted 2009-June-22, 12:30

Strongly prefer 3♠ to be forcing.

4m should be a cuebid for spades, IMO.
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Posted 2009-June-22, 12:35

Clearly cuebid for spades. I can remember this happening once and I held xx xx in the majors. The lesson there is I sometimes make idiotic 1NT openers.
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Posted 2009-June-23, 10:32

I would have played it as natural at the table, but willing to admit that this isn't the best treatment.
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Posted 2009-June-25, 20:19

skaeran, on Jun 22 2009, 01:30 PM, said:

Strongly prefer 3♠ to be forcing.

4m should be a cuebid for spades, IMO.

Same for me.

Opener has at least 3 card decent ♠ support and less than a min based on the bidding so far.
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Posted 2009-June-25, 23:17

Strongly prefer 3♠ to be non-forcing.

Otherwise there is incredible overload - many ways to get to 4♠ and no way to play a part-score.
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Posted 2009-June-25, 23:41

Cascade, on Jun 26 2009, 12:17 PM, said:

Strongly prefer 3♠ to be non-forcing.

Otherwise there is incredible overload - many ways to get to 4♠ and no way to play a part-score.

Play transfer advances and have the best of both worlds. c'est ne pas?
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Posted 2009-June-26, 03:26

Cue, agreeing spades.

The NT opener will have a fairly control rich hand,
maybe with concentrated values, he could also have
bid 4H, which than would show a control rich hand
with distributed values.

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