Help
Scoring: IMP
Worth a 2♠? Or not quite solid enough?
Maybe more importantly, is this really a fair question, or is it less borderline than I thought it was?
vuln weak 2 yea or nay
#1
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 1,459
- Joined: 2007-June-03
- Gender:Male
Posted 2009-June-14, 18:54
Worth a 2♠? Or not quite solid enough?
Maybe more importantly, is this really a fair question, or is it less borderline than I thought it was?
Still decidedly intermediate - don't take my guesses as authoritative.
"gwnn" said:
rule number 1 in efficient forum reading:
hanp does not always mean literally what he writes.
hanp does not always mean literally what he writes.
#2
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 2,778
- Joined: 2006-January-30
Posted 2009-June-14, 20:36
Depends on style. With some partners this is an automatic open for me R v W, with others it's a pass W v R. Fundamentally, I don't think it matters that much which style you play, just need to be on the same wavelength with your partner.
As food for though, consider the auction:
2♠ - (2NT) - p - (3NT) - ap.
Do you expect your partner to lead YOUR suit, or would you prefer to try to setup HIS suit. I'm not suggesting there's a right answer, but again, just discuss it and figure out which style you prefer.
As food for though, consider the auction:
2♠ - (2NT) - p - (3NT) - ap.
Do you expect your partner to lead YOUR suit, or would you prefer to try to setup HIS suit. I'm not suggesting there's a right answer, but again, just discuss it and figure out which style you prefer.
#3
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 2,871
- Joined: 2007-April-22
- Location:Santa Clara, CA
Posted 2009-June-14, 22:50
I would open this 2♠ in any (non-4th) seat at any colors.
#4
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 6,373
- Joined: 2003-March-15
- Location:Hamburg, Germany
- Interests:games and sports, esp. bridge,chess and (beach-)volleyball
Posted 2009-June-15, 01:50
It is a style issue.
The old school tells you that you need to have your honours in your suit. Not many defensive values. But I guess even for them, your hand is a possible weak two.
Make the spades J97543 and it is not.
To open weak two on any excuse with a six (five) card suit is a newer idea. And for the players who like this approach, this is a madatory weak two- in fact for them this is quite a strong one.
Despite belonging to the old school, I would open this hand 2 Spade.
The old school tells you that you need to have your honours in your suit. Not many defensive values. But I guess even for them, your hand is a possible weak two.
Make the spades J97543 and it is not.
To open weak two on any excuse with a six (five) card suit is a newer idea. And for the players who like this approach, this is a madatory weak two- in fact for them this is quite a strong one.
Despite belonging to the old school, I would open this hand 2 Spade.
Kind Regards
Roland
Sanity Check: Failure (Fluffy)
More system is not the answer...
Roland
Sanity Check: Failure (Fluffy)
More system is not the answer...
#5
- Follower of 655321
-
- Group: Members
- Posts: 3,293
- Joined: 2008-December-05
- Interests:drinking, women, bridge...what else?
Posted 2009-June-15, 01:51
I would open 2S and I consider myself generally conservative with preempts that aren't w/r
#6
- - - T98765432 AQT8
-
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 15,085
- Joined: 2005-June-23
- Gender:Male
- Location:Las Vegas, NV
Posted 2009-June-15, 02:02
I would pass vul, would bid 2♠ in a flash non-vul.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
#7
- Vesuvius the Violent Volcano
-
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 3,216
- Joined: 2008-December-04
- Gender:Male
- Location:Tampa-Area, Florida
- Interests:SLEEPING
Posted 2009-June-15, 06:50
Yep. 2♠.
Yay for the "Ignored Users" feature!
#8
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 1,962
- Joined: 2007-September-14
- Location:Australia
- Interests:The Universe, Traveling, Squash, and Scandinavia.
Posted 2009-June-15, 07:28
I would pass at 2nd seat red, and all r/w. Otherwise 2S.
- Andy -
We are all connected to each other biologically, to the Earth chemically, and to the rest of the universe atomically.
We're in the universe, and the universe is in us.
We are all connected to each other biologically, to the Earth chemically, and to the rest of the universe atomically.
We're in the universe, and the universe is in us.
#9
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 5,577
- Joined: 2005-March-01
- Gender:Male
- Location:Erlangen, Germany
-
Interests:Astronomy, Mathematics
Nuclear power
Posted 2009-June-15, 07:38
Pass, I'm getting old.
#10
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 6,373
- Joined: 2003-March-15
- Location:Hamburg, Germany
- Interests:games and sports, esp. bridge,chess and (beach-)volleyball
Posted 2009-June-15, 08:13
Gerben??
Pass??
This hand??
Please call a doctor.
Or blame it on too much Fantunes where your must pass this hand without much thinking.
Pass??
This hand??
Please call a doctor.
Or blame it on too much Fantunes where your must pass this hand without much thinking.
Kind Regards
Roland
Sanity Check: Failure (Fluffy)
More system is not the answer...
Roland
Sanity Check: Failure (Fluffy)
More system is not the answer...
#11
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 2,208
- Joined: 2007-July-01
- Gender:Male
- Location:Michigan
- Interests:Science, Sports
Posted 2009-June-15, 11:35
No opinion but I'd personally open 2♠. Short heart pushes me over the edge.
Kevin Fay
#12
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 2,030
- Joined: 2008-August-08
- Interests:Attorney, writer, entertainer.<br><br>Great close-up magicians we have known: Shoot Ogawa, Whit Haydn, Bill Malone, David Williamson, Dai Vernon, Michael Skinner, Jay Sankey, Brian Gillis, Eddie Fechter, Simon Lovell, Carl Andrews.
Posted 2009-June-15, 11:59
I'd pass it red. I wouldn't mind too much if partner opened it, as long as he didn't mind when I led something else next time, when he's got KQTxxx.
1. LSAT tutor for rent.
Call me Desdinova...Eternal Light
C. It's the nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms.
IV: ace 333: pot should be game, idk
e: "Maybe God remembered how cute you were as a carrot."
Call me Desdinova...Eternal Light
C. It's the nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms.
IV: ace 333: pot should be game, idk
e: "Maybe God remembered how cute you were as a carrot."
#13
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 11,095
- Joined: 2005-March-18
- Gender:Male
Posted 2009-June-15, 12:40
No, at least not in 1st or 2nd position.
In the end a matter of style and partnership agreement,
but I would need to be hard pressed to agree to play such
a agreement.
And we play a hyper agressive preempt opening style.
With kind regards
Marlowe
In the end a matter of style and partnership agreement,
but I would need to be hard pressed to agree to play such
a agreement.
And we play a hyper agressive preempt opening style.
With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
#14
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 14,900
- Joined: 2004-May-11
- Gender:Male
- Location:Portugal
- Interests:Everything!
Posted 2009-June-15, 12:50
TylerE, on Jun 15 2009, 02:36 AM, said:
Depends on style. With some partners this is an automatic open for me R v W, with others it's a pass W v R. Fundamentally, I don't think it matters that much which style you play, just need to be on the same wavelength with your partner.
Yes this is the most important. Unfortunately, people agree to "weak 2" and not to its style.
I'm ok both opening or not, depending on pard's preferences.
#15
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 2,987
- Joined: 2009-February-15
Posted 2009-June-15, 13:52
I agree with Kevin, I don't have an opinion but I would surely open 2S.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
#16
- ded
-
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 3,459
- Joined: 2005-August-11
- Gender:Not Telling
Posted 2009-June-15, 16:07
hanp, on Jun 15 2009, 02:52 PM, said:
I agree with Kevin, I don't have an opinion but I would surely open 2S.
I just don't have an opinion. I never get a hand like this, so it is not a problem
#17
- Vesuvius the Violent Volcano
-
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 3,216
- Joined: 2008-December-04
- Gender:Male
- Location:Tampa-Area, Florida
- Interests:SLEEPING
Posted 2009-June-15, 18:16
matmat, on Jun 15 2009, 05:07 PM, said:
hanp, on Jun 15 2009, 02:52 PM, said:
I agree with Kevin, I don't have an opinion but I would surely open 2S.
I just don't have an opinion. I never get a hand like this, so it is not a problem
You redeal?
Yay for the "Ignored Users" feature!
#18
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 2,502
- Joined: 2007-December-22
Posted 2009-June-15, 18:24
I would always open 2♠ because in my opinion bidding with this hand is better than passing.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
#19
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 6,497
- Joined: 2006-February-24
Posted 2009-June-15, 19:38
2S for me. Agree with Tyler, Whereagles & others that partnership style is the key to deciding what to do here.
If you lose all hope, you can always find it again -- Richard Ford in The Sportswriter
#20
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 10,094
- Joined: 2008-December-11
- Gender:Male
- Location:North Texas, USA
- Interests:Mountain Biking
Posted 2009-June-15, 19:43
My style isn't to open this vulnerable, but I don't mind it NV.
Hi y'all!
Winner - BBO Challenge bracket #6 - February, 2017.
Winner - BBO Challenge bracket #6 - February, 2017.