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West leads ♦ K. How would you play ?
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Posted 2009-June-09, 01:13
Uncontested. South opens 2♠ (weak single suiter) and North stops at 4 ♠.
West leads ♦ K. How would you play ?
West leads ♦ K. How would you play ?
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Posted 2009-June-09, 08:57
It feels like the general idea should be to strip diamonds, try to finesse the K♣, and hope they'll either drop or underlead the A♥ for you, or let you ruff and discard a ♥ at some point.
Still decidedly intermediate - don't take my guesses as authoritative.
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Posted 2009-June-09, 09:41
vuroth, on Jun 9 2009, 09:57 AM, said:
It feels like the general idea should be to strip diamonds, try to finesse the K♣, and hope they'll either drop or underlead the A♥ for you, or let you ruff and discard a ♥ at some point.
This line pretty much requires 2-2 trumps and a misdefence when the ♣K is offside. Is there a better line?
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Posted 2009-June-09, 11:02
Just noticed my diamond spots. Might not hurt to throw a club on the second diamond. LHO can assuredly win, but I can run another diamond and throw a heart, playing RHO for the J.
Still decidedly intermediate - don't take my guesses as authoritative.
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Posted 2009-June-09, 17:25
Trumpace, on Jun 9 2009, 05:41 PM, said:
vuroth, on Jun 9 2009, 09:57 AM, said:
It feels like the general idea should be to strip diamonds, try to finesse the K♣, and hope they'll either drop or underlead the A♥ for you, or let you ruff and discard a ♥ at some point.
This line pretty much requires 2-2 trumps and a misdefence when the ♣K is offside. Is there a better line?
It requires 2-2, but rather correct placing of opps card then misdefence?
(I have a déjà vu when viewing this hand. Is it coming from a book or a web site?)
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Posted 2009-June-09, 17:45
This screams book hand. Answer hidden, though, in case B/I want to work it out.
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Posted 2009-June-09, 18:23
Yes Ken, I agree with both your comments and your line of play. I am pretty sure I have seen this hand before. An easy trap to fall into is to try to eliminate the Diamonds. If all is bad, you have only 9 tricks.
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Posted 2009-June-09, 21:27
kgr, on Jun 9 2009, 06:25 PM, said:
Trumpace, on Jun 9 2009, 05:41 PM, said:
vuroth, on Jun 9 2009, 09:57 AM, said:
It feels like the general idea should be to strip diamonds, try to finesse the K♣, and hope they'll either drop or underlead the A♥ for you, or let you ruff and discard a ♥ at some point.
This line pretty much requires 2-2 trumps and a misdefence when the ♣K is offside. Is there a better line?
It requires 2-2, but rather correct placing of opps card then misdefence?
(I have a déjà vu when viewing this hand. Is it coming from a book or a web site?)
Say trumps are 2-2 and ♣K is offside.
The line was to eliminate ♦ and play ♣A and ♣ to Q (or just ♣ to Q).
In this line, defence can make sure that the person who does not hold the ♥A can win the third club and can thus lead a heart. If they don't, it can be considered a misdefence. No?
I agree though, that there are some legitimate cases where this line works even if ♣K is offside and if you place the cards correctly (like doubleton Ax). But that is a very small chance I think (and that is why I said 'pretty much' instead of 'always').
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Posted 2009-June-10, 02:38
What ? Eat grapes and question vineyards mood? 
Test trumps by cashing A. If trumps are 4-0 hope to find ♣K well placed for you.
When both defenders follow to a round of trumps go ahead with loser on loser.
One should plan to exchange three plain losers for two constructive losers + one ♦ winner. 1st discard should be ♣. Next discard must be a loser West attacked.
Contract : 4♠ Lead : ♦ K
Test trumps by cashing A. If trumps are 4-0 hope to find ♣K well placed for you.
When both defenders follow to a round of trumps go ahead with loser on loser.
One should plan to exchange three plain losers for two constructive losers + one ♦ winner. 1st discard should be ♣. Next discard must be a loser West attacked.
Contract : 4♠ Lead : ♦ K
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