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how strong is 3D?

#1 User is offline   kgr 

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Posted 2009-June-03, 10:49

MP's
1-(Pass)-1-(DBL)
REDBL-(Pass)-Pass-(2)
3/Pass/DBL..??
 
RDBL=support ReDBL
Opps bidding is not very clear, but you can expect opp to have an opening with a 6-card .
 
If opener has a good 6-card . What is the strength of the 3 bid and what should normally be done with a stonger hand and no stopper?
(At the table I was the 1 bidder and had an opening. Bidding would have been easier if I would have bid 3NT iso passing the REBDL).

This post has been edited by kgr: 2009-June-03, 13:41

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Posted 2009-June-03, 11:28

Is redbl 3-card support?

Not playing G/B 2NT I think 3 should be 14-16 points. A stronger hand can bid either 3 or 3.
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Posted 2009-June-03, 13:22

There was an article in the BW that discussed responder's obligations after a support redouble.

If Responder passes; it should be at least an invitational hand. Else, responder retreats to 2x. The theory the opponents are never letting you play 1 xx'd, so you might as well try to clarify responder's strength asap. This is the way I prefer to play if for no other reason is that it adds clarity to auctions like the OP's.

If responder is showing an invitational hand or better, I cannot believe that a pass is only forcing through 2. I would think it goes at least through 2N, maybe 3m and possibly 3.

2 is a strange bid if responder is showing values by passing, but we should still try to logically define opener's calls. I would say:

Double = penalty oriented.
Pass = forcing but unclear as to direction.
3 = offensive minimum
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Posted 2009-June-03, 13:41

helene_t, on Jun 3 2009, 07:28 PM, said:

Is redbl 3-card support?

Yes, support REDBL. I'll add it in original post.
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Posted 2009-June-03, 16:43

Would every opening bid with 3-card heart support redouble? It is fortunate that the opponents have let you both try to start describing your size and shape at the 3-level instead of higher. There is something wrong in a situation where the opponents have taken up none of your bidding space at the one-level, and you have used none of that space.

If redouble was ok on AX XXX KQTXXX AX or A XXX AQJTXXX QX, I guess 3D would be ok now.
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Posted 2009-June-03, 16:47

aguahombre, on Jun 4 2009, 12:43 AM, said:

Would every opening bid with 3-card heart support redouble?

Yes
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Posted 2009-June-03, 17:03

3 is just not a subminimum (or very minimum) with six decent diamonds.

With a better hand you can cue-bid 3.

Your methods did not serve you well here.

You have a lot of bids without three-card support and only one bid (call) on a diverse range of hands with three hearts.
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Posted 2009-June-04, 14:59


1-(Pass)-1-(DBL)
RDBL-(Pass)-Pass*-(2)
3-(Pass)-3NT-All Pass
 
3NT+4 ( 2-2 and RHO did discard 's)
 
Still not sure if Pass* should be minimal or Inv+. The problem with inv+ seems to be that you would have a difficult bid with same distribution and only 6 pts.
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Posted 2009-June-04, 16:17

kgr, on Jun 5 2009, 08:59 AM, said:


1-(Pass)-1-(DBL)
RDBL-(Pass)-Pass*-(2)
3-(Pass)-3NT-All Pass
 
3NT+4 ( 2-2 and RHO did discard 's)
 
Still not sure if Pass* should be minimal or Inv+. The problem with inv+ seems to be that you would have a difficult bid with same distribution and only 6 pts.

Perfect for an agreement that shows six diamonds and three hearts and a good opening hand:

1 (Pass) 1 (Dbl)
3* (Pass) 4 (?**)
...

We are well on our way to 6.

* 6+ diamonds 3+ hearts (15)16-18 HCP

4 is slammish

** will the opponent bid spades now?
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