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(An easy one) Do you open? Suramericano de bridge

#1 User is offline   Hanoi5 

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Posted 2009-June-01, 16:53

W/R, pass on your right:

♠KJT764
♥9
♦3
♣A9843

I thought this was a no brainer. I'll post a play problem about the same hand after some answers.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2009-June-01, 17:05

This is a W/R 3♠ opener for me, but that might not be a popular bid on the forums. :)
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2009-June-01, 17:07

I think 3S will be popular, 2 for 3S so far.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2009-June-01, 17:29

I would rather open 4♠ than 2♠, but anyway I think 3♠ is much better than either.
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Posted 2009-June-01, 17:46

Well, I play 2♠ shows 5 spades + 5 another, and I'd normally open it as that at any other colours. But w/r, 3♠ may work out better, so add me to the 3♠ list.

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Posted 2009-June-01, 20:00

1♠
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Posted 2009-June-01, 20:17

If you have a bid to show a 2 suiter, then clearly you use that. Else I would open 2S.
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Posted 2009-June-01, 22:06

4♠

Hate missing games.
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:

- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.

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Posted 2009-June-02, 01:16

1♠

In second seat I do not like to mastermind my partner by describing this hand as a one suiter.
If I would be certain that this would work more often then not, I would, but I am not .
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Posted 2009-June-02, 01:20

4♠ or 1♠. 3♠ and 2♠ are gross underbids.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-June-02, 01:27

3♠ , or 4♠ if I am feeling (very)lucky and brave.
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Posted 2009-June-02, 03:22

gnasher, on Jun 2 2009, 09:20 AM, said:

4♠ or 1♠.  3♠ and 2♠ are gross underbids.

2♠ is not a gross underbid, it is perverse.

If that hand is 2♠, then what is:

♠ KJ10764
♥ 987
♦ 43
♣ A9

or

♠ KJ10764
♥ Q98
♦ 43
♣ 98
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:

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Posted 2009-June-02, 07:49

1♠ for me.
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Posted 2009-June-02, 08:08



Well, for those opening 2 or 3 you get to play 4♠. For those opening 1♠ or 4♠ you'll probably wind up in 6♠.

4♠ will get a diamond lead.

6♠ will get a spade lead.

The question now is, how do you play the clubs?

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

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Posted 2009-June-02, 08:31

If I did open 4♠ W/R, I would be very surprised if partner looked for a slam with the North hand.

I won't be trying any intra-finesses. Assuming that we don't discover anything dramatic about the distribution, normal looks to be ♣A, then low to the Queen unless RHO dropped the J or T under the Ace.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2009-June-02, 08:44

The ♣J is seen under the Ace.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

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Posted 2009-June-02, 08:55

Hanoi5, on Jun 2 2009, 09:44 AM, said:

The ♣J is seen under the Ace.

If RHO plays the Jack (or the Ten) under the Ace then you take the restricted choice line of playing low to the 7 next round.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2009-June-02, 09:13

655321, on Jun 2 2009, 09:55 AM, said:

Hanoi5, on Jun 2 2009, 09:44 AM, said:

The ♣J is seen under the Ace.

If RHO plays the Jack (or the Ten) under the Ace then you take the restricted choice line of playing low to the 7 next round.

It took 3 rounds of trump to get them out? Then your LHO can have fun with you.
After letting you suffer and play the 7, RHO shows out :)
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Posted 2009-June-02, 09:16

After a 4♠ opening responder has a clear-cut pass. After a 1♠ opening, we might well reach 6♠, because after 1♠-2♣;3♣ it's going to be hard to stop. 6♠ is only ♣J away from being excellent, and on the actual hands it's not far below 50%.

I can't see anything better than to draw trumps and play two rounds of clubs.

If East drops J or 10 and trumps were 2-2, I play the queen on the second round, because J10 / J / 10 is slightly more likely than KJ / K10.

If East drops J or 10 and trumps were 3-1, I play the low on the second round, because J10 is less likely than KJ / K10.

(Sorry - an earlier version of this post was nonsense.)

This post has been edited by gnasher: 2009-June-02, 09:20

... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-June-02, 09:28

I'm going to nitpick my own analysis now. If trumps are 3-1, I should cash ♣A before drawing the third trump. There might be an overtrick available if the hand with a singleton trump also has a singleton king of clubs.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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