[H_KARLUK]

Ye South, hold that collection.

Scoring: MP

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1♠   2♣   2♥   5♣
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Wut call and why plz ?

Thanks buddies
Hamdi

[rogerclee]

6♥

[awm]

I like 6♣; grand is excellent opposite as little as ♠K and ♥AKxxx. I don't think we'll get to grand slam opposite that hand, but at least the 6♣ call will reassure partner about clubs and give us some chance to reach grand if partner has extras.

[Fluffy]

IMO 6♣ should have better spades or better hearts. I will be happy with only 6♥, If partner has 3 keycards he should know what to do.

[Gerben42]

6♥. Even if partner has KJxxx only in ♥, we should still have enough chance to make it, so 5♥ seems a bit pessimistic. I would like to invite but 5♦ won't be understood as such by partner, so I will just leave it at that.

About grand dreamers, I do not hope to reach grands on auctions like this, getting to 6 will be good enough.

[OleBerg]

Gerben42, on May 25 2009, 02:33 PM, said:

About grand dreamers, I do not hope to reach grands on auctions like this, getting to 6 will be good enough.

A bit pessimistic. 5 or 6 level, and right denomination naturally has to have a very high priority, but you should be able to bid at least a few of those grands with 18 tricks piling down the roof.

[whereagles]

6♥. A grand slam try has too many iffs.

Last week-end me and pard got preempted and missed a grand. We made 6+1 for +1470. At the other table, opps doubled our teammates and scored a mere +300 Teammates later said opps were not even close to bid the small slam(!!).

[jdonn]

awm, on May 25 2009, 02:08 AM, said:

I like 6♣; grand is excellent opposite as little as ♠K and ♥AKxxx. I don't think we'll get to grand slam opposite that hand, but at least the 6♣ call will reassure partner about clubs and give us some chance to reach grand if partner has extras.

Wow, won't partner clearly bid a grand with that? All he did is bid 2♥ and he covers three certain losers in the hand of us who made a grand slam try. In fact I think the problem is partner will bid a grand with any 2 of those 3 cards. So I'll just bid 6♥. I think 6♣ is more like this hand including the A or K of hearts more.

As I think about this more, I think partner might even bid a grand over 6♥ with those cards you mention. What will he think we have? I'm not sure he will, but with anything else useful-looking on top of those I bet he will.

[Phil]

6♥ is plenty. Very likely partner can infer my club void anyway.

[mikeh]

6♥

We can still reach some of the grands here...

I could certainly hold more major suit honours, and would want some of them to bid 6♣. Plus bidding 6♣ won't solve all of our problems anyway. Finally, as a plus, 6♥ doesn't show weakness.

BTW, while I expect to make slam (many) more times than not, we don't have 12 tricks opposite a routine 2♥ on, say, Jx KQJxxx KQx xx, so bidding 6 is not a big underbid.

[Phil]

mikeh, on May 25 2009, 12:05 PM, said:

a routine 2♥ on, say, Jx KQJxxx KQx xx...,

Not a routine 2♥ for you amigo

[H_KARLUK]

I very much appreciate for inputs.
5♥ - Chicken ? Possibly. Opening is thin. Did partner promise a mountain?
Pass - Surely forcing ? Say p bid 5 ♥ raise to slam ♥. Say doubles, pull to 5 ♥. In a forcing situation, pass followed by a pull of Dbl shld b stronger than an immediate bid.
Otoh a fp might accomplish several tasks. It wont tip off th ♦ lead when they get to 6 ♥. (ie after pass pass double pass 6♥) Most probably will make it harder for th opps to save. Bear in mind it will make easier to stay out of a bad grand, mebbe reached after a direct 6♣.
Hehe, wut abt 5 NT ? Not a scientific xercise in xact measurements of values? A tough + tumble competitive brawl.
In th good old days th classic theory wuz 'when nobuddy knows wut to do, put a max pressure on th opps'. If ever there wuz a hand for slam-bang slam biddin' this might be it ? Then 6♥ could be classic sample.
Now th table result-North who held > ♠J5 ♥ AKQ73 ♦J95 ♣AK9
After 6 ♥ raised to 7, down one--does absolutely nothing to change any opinion?
Have a good day please

[the hog]

6H
Bidding 7H with only Jx of S is not great, especially as responder KNOWS that the AK of C are waste paper. Even then it was on a hook.

Please Hamdi use English and not Hottentot when posting. What on earth are "wuz", xact, abt etcetera?

[mike777]

The_Hog, on May 25 2009, 11:07 PM, said:

6H
Bidding 7H with only Jx of S is not great, especially as responder KNOWS that the AK of C are waste paper. Even then it was on a hook.

Please Hamdi use English and not Hottentot when posting. What on earth are "wuz", xact, abt etcetera?

ditto

[Hanoi5]

I had voted for 6♣ but I bought Josh's idea that it'd lead to a bad grand. 6♥ sounds good enough but I don't quite blame partner for not thinking enough and arriving to 7. I mean, how do we show a hand worth 7 but missing the club control? After 6♣ partner should probably bid 6♥ with 7HCP wasted (mostly).

[OleBerg]

mike777, on May 26 2009, 07:50 AM, said:

The_Hog, on May 25 2009, 11:07 PM, said:

6H
Bidding 7H with only Jx of S is not great, especially as responder KNOWS that the AK of C are waste paper. Even then it was on a hook.

Please Hamdi use English and not Hottentot when posting. What on earth are "wuz", xact, abt etcetera?

ditto

Notto.

Of course it depends on how likely you think the opponents are to bid 6. But if you take that for granted, you need very specific agreements to be able to distinguish AKxxx from AQxxx in spades.

if you try to tell me, that this hand:

♠ AK222
♥ 2222
♦ A22
♣ 2

and many like it, would have taken a stronger route, I dont believe you.

And AK clubs has value in some sense, as it virtually insures that partner has the A♦.

Funny, but AK of clubs can actually be of negative value (for the combined hands.), as it decreases the chance of the hand being a "5 or 7" hand. (I.e. no chance for 6♠-1 at the other table, when you are in 7♠ -2.)

[skjaeran]

6♥. 6♣ is too much, we'll reach many non-making grands after that.

[gwnn]

I heard that in some Arabic languages, there are no vowels in written language.

[the hog]

gwnn, on May 27 2009, 04:19 AM, said:

I heard that in some Arabic languages, there are no vowels in written language.

Sometimes he uses vowels and other times he doesn't.

[gwnn]

So we should congratulate him for his efforts and partial success.