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Double or Not What does DBL Mean

#1 User is offline   jmcw 

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Posted 2009-May-17, 20:20

Scoring: MP


You open 1 LHO bids 1 partners passes and RHO bids 1NT

Your bid? Is this an automatic DBL? and if so what does it mean?

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Posted 2009-May-17, 21:06

Double is pointless with this hand, though I do think it should show good diamonds. With a strong balanced hand you pass. Although maybe double should be a good takeout of hearts.

The reason it is pointless is that LHO won't pass if RHO has a diamond stopper, and RHO won't pass if RHO does not have a diamond stopper. In the meantime, you haven't shown your hand.

I would bid 3H, which does show our hand. It is preemptive but keeps 3NT in the picture, it is possible that partner has the heart king.
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Posted 2009-May-17, 22:09

I pass, pard is broke and stuff so we don't have game. He's a big favorite to hold 4 and didn't make a negative double or something. LHO might even get greedy and bid 3NT and I'll take my +250.
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Posted 2009-May-17, 22:10

Double is obv takeout of hearts with extras.

I would bid 2H.
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Posted 2009-May-18, 00:40

Yes double is definitely takeout of hearts, surprised there could be debate about that (well maybe there isn't). I like 3 here.
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Posted 2009-May-18, 00:56

I would bid 4.
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Posted 2009-May-18, 03:03

3 if I'm feeling scientific.

Pass + take unilateral action based on opponents' bidding if I feel like gambling.
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Posted 2009-May-18, 03:20

There are pairs who play that 1 NT does not promise a stopper but a balanced hand. Against these pairs any bid below 3 Diamond gives them too much room to ask for a stopper.
So I would bid 3

3 would be my second choice, but I would like to have a card in spades for that bid.
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Posted 2009-May-18, 08:31

I would have bid 2 irl, but I like the 3 idea.
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Posted 2009-May-18, 20:25

I think all these 3 bidders are living in dream worlds.

If EAST is a mediocre player, they hoave a diamond stopper. And after a heart lead and a shift to clubs to knock the ACE out of dummy, just how do you plan on makeing 3NT even if partner DOES have a stopper?

I think 3 is the right bid here. Long, strong diamond suit - an outside car - but not enough to ensure 3NT if partner has a heart stopper.
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Posted 2009-May-18, 20:33

CayugaGuy, on May 19 2009, 01:25 PM, said:

I think all these 3 bidders are living in dream worlds.

If EAST is a mediocre player, they hoave a diamond stopper. And after a heart lead and a shift to clubs to knock the ACE out of dummy, just how do you plan on makeing 3NT even if partner DOES have a stopper?

I think 3 is the right bid here. Long, strong diamond suit - an outside car - but not enough to ensure 3NT if partner has a heart stopper.

I think East is living in a dream world if he is not allowed to bid 1NT with AJx Kx Jxx Qxxxx or Kxxx Qx Jx Axxxx (if partnership disallows 1). There are lots of times where they have no other bid but 1NT.
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