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Is this a weak NT opener?

Poll: Is this a weak NT opener? (77 member(s) have cast votes)

Is this a weak NT opener?

  1. yes (73 votes [94.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 94.81%

  2. no (1 votes [1.30%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.30%

  3. monkey (3 votes [3.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.90%

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#1 User is offline   Ant590 

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Posted 2009-May-17, 16:28

Scoring: IMP


First seat, both red, IMPs.

Would you open this a 12-14NT?

(there is a bet riding on this so please respond!)
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Posted 2009-May-17, 16:29

This looks like an easy bet for someone.
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Posted 2009-May-17, 16:34

Yes, easily.

Im suprised anyone bet it wasn't.

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Posted 2009-May-17, 16:36

I have a bridge to sell, if the person who bet 'no' is interested in buying.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2009-May-17, 16:36

1NT WTP
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Posted 2009-May-17, 16:39

Yes, ofc I would.

I feel sorry for whoever is on the wrong side of this bet.
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Posted 2009-May-17, 16:45

I agree - wouldn't think twice about it. And my vul 1NT range starts at a good 12 :rolleyes:
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Posted 2009-May-17, 17:06

What's the problem? Is someone using Vienna points and consider it too strong?
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Posted 2009-May-17, 17:09

If you don't open 1NT with this, don't play weak notrumps.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2009-May-17, 17:13

That looks like a hand from the EBU sims on Wednesday IIRC. If so I did open it 1NT - and - if it isn't - well I'll open 1NT anyhow.

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Posted 2009-May-17, 17:36

I think some of the posters have missed the point. Presumably the question is whether this is too strong. By some people's rules, it's worth

  12 HCP + 3 x 0.5 for the aces + 1 for the good diamond suit = 14.5

Even that doesn't make it a 15-count, so it's still a weak notrump.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-May-17, 17:58

Actually, OP just said "there is a bet riding on this", he didn't say what the bet was.

Perhaps the bet is whether or not he can construct a poll that will get a unanimous response.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2009-May-17, 17:59

LOL
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Posted 2009-May-17, 18:22

hanp, on May 18 2009, 06:09 AM, said:

If you don't open 1NT with this, don't play weak notrumps.

Agree totally. Surprised anyone would want to lose their money.
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Posted 2009-May-17, 20:37

Yes, ofc I would.

I don't feel sorry for whoever is on the wrong side of this bet.
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Posted 2009-May-18, 01:07

I will answer seriously instead of sarcastically since there is a bet riding on this, even though sarcasm is my immediate response.

If you don't open this a 12-14 notrump when that's what you are playing, you should practice counting points a bit more if you're brand new to bridge, or quit bridge forever if you aren't brand new.

Sorry got sarcastic at the end, couldn't help it!
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Posted 2009-May-18, 01:22

Sure, you are bal., happen to hold 12-14 HCP, why open
anything else than 1NT?

Please keep in mind, that you will need to find a 2nd bid, if
you open something else.

Asssuming the auction goes

1D - 1H

than you have to bid 2D, which promises a 6 carder, how do
you feel in this case, if partner takes you serious?

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: Did not consider a 1NT rebid, selling the hand as 15-16 / 15-17,
but just a comment: Although Aces are undervalued, the HCP count
is pretty good, if it comes to evaluating bal. hand, and upgrading by
3HCP is a pretty extreme position to take.
With kind regards
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Posted 2009-May-18, 03:05

Very normal 1NT. The bid shows shape and strength, not a desire to actually play the hand in NT, although that is usually the consequence.
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Posted 2009-May-18, 03:13

Clear 1NT, and a maximum too. It's worth 13.9 on the K&R Hand Evaluator.

http://www.jeffgoldsmith.org/cgi-bin/knr.c...x+Ax+A1098x+Axx

If you don't open 1NT, you have no descriptive rebid.

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Posted 2009-May-18, 03:22

I think Txxx Ax AT9xx Ax is also a 1NT opener
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